I highlight what I perceive to be an obvious deflection on the part of the OP, and suddenly, I'm relegated to serving as someone's slightly more pleasant alter ego? Frankly, I'm insulted.
Hey, fuck you man. You should be happy to be my alter ego. I'm like one of the best photoshoppers in this joint.
How So? If Smith steps up and consistently performs at an incredibly high level throughout the season, does it not just further validate/enhance MM's already proven reputation as a top OC and teacher (and put another feather in his cap as it where)? On the other hand, if Geno's play is mediocre or he just plain stinks up the joint, I can imagine MM's reputation as a top OC perhaps being mildly tarnished at worst (if at all) whereas Smith will be the one most likely to take the bulk of the blame and be labeled an unteachable bust at some point. Since I'm already stupid(not kidding either), maybe you can explain how Geno making big positive strides could somehow render the content of this thread as stupid
Steps up and consistently performs at an incredibly high level? Are you holding the winning powerball ticket? It could definitely validate MM's ability as an OC. And if Geno fails, maybe MM stays around with the HC. Whomever that is. If Geno Smith becomes a promising quarterback, there is no way of knowing who is more important. Geno and MM are a pair of elements who rely on each other and cannot be judged separately, although maybe Marty can out a feather in his cap "as it where". If the offense succeeds you can't just say it's one or the other, unless there is a marked reason from one section of the offense. People will try, but they will look as stupid as this thread.
Nice discussions on this thread, except I don't get the derailment effort as to so-called stupidity. The point is RIGHT NOW who is more valuable. Can we say whether RIGHT NOW Mangold is more valuable than Winters? Sure. Most of the people who voted for Smith I think are counting on him developing at least into a competent NFL Qb. But that assessment is to some extent tied into whether Marty helps with such development, or more accurately to what extent he does. Imo Smith's limitations were obvious last year. But by the end of the season, in his first year with the Jets Marty had developed a basic offensive philosophy that used Smith's stronger points and limited his weaker ones. We see some of that continuing on opening day, but we also I think see even a weak D like Oakland countering some of those moves. (I am referring here to Smith's declining ypc on runs as an example.) But I expect Marty to continue to evolve the O's approach. I have a simple metric I will look at to see whether the two can work together to develop Smith into an acceptable NFL Qb. That is that Smith has to play an increasing percentage of plays behind center instead of in the shotgun. Increasing as the season goes on. If we do not see that, it is obvious to me that would be on Smith, not Marty. Marty (and Andy Reid, of course) got Vick to move in that direction compared to his Atlanta days. Not all Vick fans were totally happy about that, perhaps. But call me old school on this one, I think an NFL Qb must, in order to have medium to long term success, be able to be effective behind center. I think Marty thinks that, too. So let's see how that plays out.
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With regards to the poll question, would your choice be Geno if he were to develop into an "acceptable" QB?
You mean I take it at some point down the road. Hard to say, because what would be the assessment of Marty's perhaps essential role in such development. But to make clear the implication, as it stands now i do not think Smith is an acceptable Qb if by that is meant someone who either is or is likely to develop into an average level NFL starting qb.
Marty is much more important. We can replace Geno with basically anyone and get similar results. We have an OC still searching for a QB Sent from my Lumia using Tapatalk
I voted Marty, not as an indictment on Smith, but as an indictment on our history of OC's: Hackett, Schottenheimer, Sparano...
I can't speak for BB or anyone else but IMO, the only way I could justify picking Smith over MM would be if Geno somehow became a a legitimate, elite quality QB which, while possible, I consider to be highly unlikely. Marty's responsibilities, while acutely focused on Geno's development and improved productivity, also include the overall offense's strategy/game planning, play calling and elements of the game as a whole that go beyond mentoring Geno toward becoming an "acceptable" level NFL QB. For me it boils down to one simple question: which of the two would be more difficult to replace? Right now (for me anyway) the answer (MM) is a no brainer. If Geno eventually establishes himself as an acceptable or even above average quality level QB, my answer would be the same because I consider MM to be an "elite" which by my definition means a top 5 OC in the NFL and I think that qualification is justifiably reflected not only in the statistical record books but also the transformative, positive impact he has had on QBs and offenses alike over the course of his career as an OC.
Nice post and very accurate to say that this whole Jet offense has been designed since May to help Geno succeed and hopefully for Jets to win. Basically, get the running backs receivers TEs to just make life easier for Smith as opposed to last years struggle. Can't see how this formula can fail except against those elite teams we are closer to facing. MM a big improvement over Soprano and Schotty NO doubt. Geno needs MM and MM needs Geno IMO.
Also, Falco21, Jetho and myself do believe Garappolo will be great. Idzik forgoed using 2014 picks, served him wrong steak dinner, when we wooed him back in May '14. So he signed on with the Kraftyman (sigh).
With all due respect, while Geno and MM have been together since Geno joined the Jets, if you just look at the number of years over which Marty has established himself as a top level offensive coordinators in the NFL, saying "they came up together'" (almost implies he's as green and inexperienced as Smith) and "they will probably experience success or failure together" are not accurate statements. MM has been around for many years and has long since passed the point of having proven himself (repeatedly) as an excellent and successful OC.
