Who Has Better Depth......

That would be my question too. Did the Giants move to the AFC East?

 

canty and kiwi should be starters..but with the players i named as starters..they will be in rotations...the jets have shit

 

Who has the better QB situation, the Jets or the Colts?

 

Who has better wide receivers, the Cardinals or the Jets?

 

Which is going to be a major concern when we play them in.....uhhhh, not sure when we play them again. Other than preseason.

On another note. I was wondering how our Oline matches up with Bears ST unit.

 

How about a DE that led all 3-4 ends in sacks?

Your last post is kind of self-defeating. It negates the purpose of this thread entirely. You're arguing that our o-line and d-line are not strengths, so let's compare them with two of the more complete units in the league? Why?

BTW, replacing jumbo with DUMBO? Niiiiiice.

 

he also used the wrong parentheses.

 

Sitting here with a friend who is a diehard Jets fan. Since both of us lead shallow and unfulfilling lives, here's a total breakdown of the two team's rosters done in a position by position fashion...

Here goes!

 

^ ???? WHERE IS IT!!!!! haha

 

Patience, my son...

 

QB: This one isn?t as easy as it may seem, because we are grading depth and not talent. Obviously the Giants have a QB that has shown he can win in the NFL while the Jets are hoping that is what Sanchez can be. In terms of depth, however, let?s look at the backups of Kellen Clemens and Erik Ainge vs David Carr and Rhett Bomar (I am going to assume Woodson doesn?t make the team and including him stacks things in the Giant?s favor). Now, both Clemens and Carr have starter experience. A slight edge has to be given to Clemens because of the upside he still has; Carr is more proven, but that isn?t necessarily a good thing in this case. Carr?s superior mobility (see him running for his life an every play down in Houston) and this has to be taken into consideration because as #2 QB he will not be as familiar with the WRs as Eli, but the ability to extend plays can help work around this, specifically in situations where only a handful of yards are required to make a 1st down.
Ainge & Bomar are a wash because neither has proven anything.

EDGE: Giants. Even though their backup situations are comparable and we are comparing depth, we can?t completely discount the talent of the starters and, to be blunt, the Giants have one while the Jets don?t know who theirs is going to be.

RB: This one is interesting as both teams have a dearth of talent at the position. For the Giants were are considering Jacobs, Bradshaw, Ware, & Brown while the Jets bring Jones, Washington, Greene, and Woodhead to the table. Jacobs? has the edge in strength, top speed, and YPC over Jones. However, Jones has better acceleration, better hands, and is MUCH better at staying healthy. Jacobs? youth earns him a slight edge over Jones.

Leon Washington and Ahmad Bradshaw are similar in stature, but not in playing style. Bradshaw runs with more power and has shown himself to be a good receiver, at times. Washington runs with far more speed and than Bradshaw, is an exceptionally dangerous return man, and is a weapon out of the backfield to boot. He?s also shown the ability to stay healthy which, despite earning less playing time, Bradshaw has not. Washington is the better back by a wide margin.

Ware/Brown vs Greene/Woodhead=??? Nobody has done anything?yet.

EDGE: Jets. Their backfield brings more variety to the field and is better at remaining on said field. While the Giants? running game fits their team?s personality by being punishing, it simply lacks the versatility and big play potential of the Jets.

FB: Madison Hedgecock and Michael Matthews vs Tony Richardson. This one is pretty simple. Both are punishing lead blockers with Richardson being a significantly better receiver. However, Hedgecock is younger and can be relieved by TE Michael Matthews as a lead blocker. Matthews is a very talented blocking TE and has put that skill set to use as a lead blocker. And seriously, how many teams can actually say they have a backup FB?

EDGE: Giants. More youth and depth, though Richardson is no slouch.

TE: The Giants bring the trio of Kevin Boss, Michael Matthews, and Darcy Johnson/Travis Beckum while the Jets have Keller, Franks, and Jack Simmons. The Jets clearly have the edge in terms of receiving talent. Keller alone is probably a more dangerous pass-catcher than Boss & Matthews combined. Franks, while long in the tooth and clearly on the way out, also made a name for himself as a receiver. Simmons is an unknown, but with the praise he has received from Ryan during OTAs it is safe to assume he makes the team.

While not as talented at catching the ball, the Giants? TEs are the better blockers. Matthews especially distinguishes himself in this category. Boss is a good receiver, though not a great one like Keller, but is also an above average blockers who has gained 10lbs this offseason in the hopes of further improving upon this skill.

EDGE: It?s a wash. Each team?s TEs are better geared towards what the teams do. The Jets run a West Coast offensive scheme and need TEs that can catch the ball. The Giants play a more smash-mouth style of offense and need TEs that block. Ultimately we couldn?t decide who to give the edge to here as both groups do what their teams ask of them.

 

More to come, writing it now.

 

WR: The Jets bring Cotchery, Stuckey, Clowney, Smith, & Wright to the fray whilst the Giants field Domenik Hixon, Steve Smith, Hakeen Nicks, Mario Manningham, & Ramses Barden. This is an interesting matchup as both teams are short on proven players, and long on young guys with potential. The Jets do bring the proven commodity with the best track record to the table in Jerricho Cotchery. The Giants’ equivalent is Steve Smith who, while younger, isn’t putting up numbers on par with Cotchery during the earlier years of his career.

Now it gets interesting. Chansi Stuckey has proven himself an effective slot WR, especially early in the season, and has great speed with good size. Hixon is a similar WR in that he’s a burner and not a possession guy. Hixon, however, is taller at 6’2” and is a talented return specialist. The edge here goes to Hixon.

Mario Manningham and David Clowney are essentially the same player in that both have shown flashes in preseason and are speedy WRs. Despite the hopes of their respective fanbases, neither of them has done ANYTHING yet.

Brad Smith’s experience earns him the edge over rookie WR Hakeem Nicks. While Nicks had a very successful college career and should (I pray) add a physical YAC element to the Giants’ offense, but he hasn’t done that as of right now. Edge to Smith.

And the final comparison we have is Wallace Wright and Ramses Barden. Both are unproven and have done nothing in the NFL. Barden may step be productive as a redzone threat, but nothing has happened that can be judged as of now.

EDGE: Jets. While the Giants have a potentially better group, that doesn’t matter until they deliver. The Jets field the best WR in NYC in Jerricho Cotchery and this warrants giving them the edge.

OL: The Jets’ starting line is Brick, Faneca, Mangold, Moore, and Woody. For reserves we are considering Wayne Hunter, Michael Kracalik, & rookie Matt Slauson. The Giants’ starting line is David Diehl, Rich Seubert, Shaun O’Hara, Chris Snee, and Kareem McKenzie. Their reserves include Grey Reugamer, Guy Whimper, Kevin Boothe, and William Beatty.

EDGE: Giants. This one is actually pretty easy. The Giants have more reserves with talent and playing experience than the Jets do. The Jets may have the best player of the group in Mangold (though Chris Snee might have something to say about that) but their depth outside of their starters simply does not match up to the Giants.

 

We're going to grab some lunch now and tackle the defense when we get back.

 

Huh? Ellis is an unkown? We picked up Douglas who has been one of the league leaders the past several seasons in Tackles for Loss. 3/3 of the DL is a little better than "unknown."

By the way, who's more Catholic: the Pope or Marilyn Manson?

 

the team went 9-7 last year with a spineless coach and awful qb play down the stretch. the core of that team that went 9-7 is still in place except for an aging wr. everything done in the offseason has only improved the team. also the hope that we just drafted a franchise qb is cause for optimism.

but carry on with your pointless threads.

 

Again I am just not sure what a comparison to the Giants brings? Is there a reason for this discussion? Or just to get some Giants/Jets rivalry talk going. Really these two teams rarely even meet in the regular season.

 

We aren't going to do the front 7. It's too complicated, and not really worth it as the schemes are different. The short of it is that the Jets have better LB depth and the Giants better DL depth.

 

CB: For the Jets we will consider Revis, Sheppard, Lowery, Donald Strickland, & Drew Coleman/Ahmad Carroll. For the Giants we will consider Corey Webster, Aaron Ross, Terrell Thomas, Kevin Dockery, DeAndre Wright/Stoney Woodson. This is one is tricky, because Revis & Sheppard get the edge over Webster & Ross. This gives the Jets a better starting duo by a significant margin. As for backups, the edge shifts back to the Giants. Dockery has starting experience and has been consistent as a starter. Lowery started 10 games last year and put up some great numbers. However, he also led the team in the “burnt by the receiver he was supposed to cover” stat. His interception and five forced fumbles(alliteration, yay!) were frequently outweighed by his man standing 20 yards downfield/in the endzone holding the ball. Consistent, he was not. Strickland has great experience at playing cornerback in the NFL…behind the guys who start. He’s a career backup. Thomas may have the upside and his stats for last season were slightly better than Strickland’s and he stands about 2 inches taller than Strickland. Wright and Woodson have done about as much in the NFL as most of the people reading this, Coleman is a case study in failure, and Carroll, prior to coming to the Jets, was cut on a Tuesday by the Packers following a Monday Night game.

Edge: Giants. The starters’ talent goes to the Jets while the back end of the roster favors the Giants. I have to go with the Giants in this case, mostly due to the number of people who will be jumping from bridges if Revis or Sheppard go down vs. Ross or Webster.

Safeties: For Gang Green, we’ll be looking at Rhodes, Leonhard, and Smith. Big Blue will be throwing Kenny Phillips, Michael Johnson, and C.C. Brown into contention. Rhodes is widely regarded as the best athlete out of this group, but had a down year last year when he was asked to play single-high in a last line of defense kind of role. Mangini’s scheme last year took all of Rhodes’ best skills, and defenestrated them out of the retarded window, refusing to allow him to blitz from anywhere between 1 and 15 yards off of the ball. Enter: Jim Leonhard. The free safety with coverage skills the Jets lacked last year. Leonhard is short but has speed and quickness and, if we’re to believe Ryan’s press conferences and interviews, a good vertical leap. Every Ravens game last year featured Leonhard on or around the ball in passing plays. Bringing this skill set frees up Rhodes to become the ball hawk/blitzing powerhouse that we all love and like to say was snubbed during every Pro Bowl roster announcement. Backing up these two gentlemen is Eric Smith, widely regarded as one of the bigger mistakes of the 2006 NFL Draft for the Jets, has mad face-breaking skills and the ability to injure his hamstring seemingly at will. All kidding aside, Smith has been one of the more successful stories of the 2008 OTAs, even earning a comparison to one Ed Reed (REEEED-FENSE!!!![sorry, had to]). After hauling in five interceptions over the three day mini-camp, one can’t help but believe that Smith may have learned how to play football. Add this to the starting experience he has been able to accrue over the course of his career and he could, potentially, become a solid, fill in at safety.

For their part, the Giants will be fielding highly touted second year player Kenny Phillips next to returning starter Michael “every other black man in the northeast has the same name as me” Johnson. Backing them up is curiously initialed C.C. Brown. Brown started for 3 years on the Texans before getting injured last year. Phillips was the preferred safety in the 2008 draft by Steve Spagnuolo who was reportedly impressed with his ability to call the appropriate defensive adjustments, as well as his sure-handed tackling. Johnson is a 7th round pick that brings size and aggressive play to the field. Johnson hasn’t shown himself to be particularly skilled in coverage, but he also was often asked to play the “big nickel” position in Spagnuolo’s defense. C.C. Brown is an unheralded but potentially very talented acquisition by the Giants this offseason, he has starter experience and is a solid, if unspectacular addition to a potentially VERY venerable defense.

EDGE: Jets. Rhodes tips the scales awfully far in the favor of the J-E-T-S. Adding in Leonhard’s coverage skills and freakish white-guy athletic ability, we aren’t entirely sure if we’re watching a football team or a track and field competition. Smith, while a subpar started is certainly more than serviceable as a backup. The Giants’ unit has more size to it, with both Phillips and Johnson being 6’2”, but is still younger and less battle-tested.

Conclusion: The Giants took 4 of the comparisons while the Jets pulled out ahead in 3. However, we didn’t take into account large portions of the defenses because comparing the front 7 of a 4-3 to a 3-4 hurts my brain like reading coverage schemes makes Gladys want to RIP OWN HEAD OFF! For what it’s worth, we both think the Jets have the best 3-4 Inside Linebacker duo in the league. For their part, the Giants will be fielding what we think is the best 4-3 dline in the NFL.