I honestly believe that during the end of this season a lot of the Jet players were weak minded, and playing pussy football. Now, do I really believe that the media was the only result of that, no. It was a number of things that had creeped up in a lot of these players heads, not just the media. The high spirited motivators disapeared after the Titan game. Favre, Jenkins, Coles, Cotchery, Rhodes, etc.. You can't tell me they were mentaly prepared for the ending of this season. I refuse to believe it. They were out of it. I think all that hype really messed with them when they just couldn't perform up to that level that everyone was making them out to be. Maybe their pride was hurt, I don't know, but something went horribly wrong.
Well, maybe. I don't know. Personally, I'm not going to go the media route. I like to keep it simpler than that. The players didn't play well enough and the coaches didn't coach well enough. I don't know that any team had it rougher than the Eagles had it this year after they tied the Bengals and the QB didn't even know a basic rule of the sport. McNabb was pulled from a game the following week. There was all sorts of bad shit written about the Eagles. They responded with a playoff berth. I see the difference, though. The Jets had positive stuff said about them and it seemed, at least to some people, that they rested on their laurels.
Well Mangina brought Favre here and without that move, this disaster would have been averted. He gambled and lost and that gamble should cost him his job.
No I agree with that. I think other teams had it much harder then we did, hell, I don't even really think we had it hard, just poor plays and execution really knocked us out. I still don't rule out that being a factor with this team. Just because other teams seem to have it harder and are able to overcome those odds, doesn't mean that these Jet players had the same fortitude to overcome similar trial and error. They played down to their potential, simple as that.
Mangini gets 80% of the blame, Favre gets 20%. Mangini - Play calling was just horrible. In-Game decisions were... interesting. Could not get the players ready to play. A Belichick wanna be. Favre - INT INT INT INT however too much was put on him. We do have Leon and Thomas Jones... Also 3rd and short with a empty backfield plays...
There's no wrong answer here; I'm surprised it's not closer. But for as bad as Mangini was, it's difficult to quantify and contextualize bad coaching. Favre clearly tangibly cost us at least a couple victories this year. So I pick him.
Bottom line, it would be better for the Jets next year if they were both gone, along with Schottenheimer, Sutton, and anyone else on the team who has a loser mindset.
While it's no vote of confidence in Mangini, I lay a little more blame with Favre. I agree with the above post that the Jets should have run more, used Washington way more, and worked harder to get the ball in Kellers hands. That stuff can't be ignored. The CS also allowed the D to crumble down the stretch, but some of that gets put on Favre's shoulders for all the damn picks he threw. Favre was a turnover machine for the last half of the season. It's surprising that the Jets were even in some of the games they were with him throwing 2-3 picks a game. They weren't exactly great plays made by defenders either...they were mostly of the "What the hell was that?" variety. Even the emotionless Mangini rolled his eye's after Favre's first pick today. He played miserable down the stretch and it's not even debatable. In my opinion, Better QB play would have at least had this team in the playoffs this season...in spite of Mangini and the rest of the CS.
They both such and have to go, but Mangini simply got out-coached almost every game this season. He couldn't get his team motivated to play flat out BAD teams. After watching that buffalo game at home (which they should have lost) it was so obvious this team mailed it in and had no interest in playing hard for him. Those missed tackles were flat out embarrassing and heartless.
Neither Favre nor Mangini did as well as they needed to this year, with that I agree. But I think it says a lot of how simplistic the POV is on this board that, following the pattern of dicussion the last 5 weeks on this board, that the defense (particularly passing D) wasn't even offered as a possible choice. As bad as Favre was, the offense was still a hell of a lot better ranked than the D this year ... someone out there DOES realize this, right?
Offense and defense are ranked on yards gained and allowed, which is idiotic. Most important stat of the year for the Jets by a mile: Brett Favre, 30 turnovers.
