I understand you're not trying to compare them directly, but you can't barely compare anyone elses on the field speed in NFL history to Randy Moss, let alone Hill.
Brad, your original argument was about scoring a TD when bringing it out. So that's what I was saying was low percentage. The stuff you posted was about more than just taking it to the house or not. Still, that was some good data and very informational; so, thanks. I think this will all be moot eventually, as the league inches closer to eliminating the KO altogether. And in the meantime, if an opposing team doesn't want you to return it, there's a much higher chance that their Kicker can kick it out of the endzone.
I usually say Hill COULD be MOSS-LIKE just because of his build and attributes... but you're right moss really flies out there like nobody i have ever seen .. hey isnt Mr. Moss a free agent? Lets take him and cut hill!! probably still wayy better than Hill lol.
I'm not sure if the Panthers need him. Benjamin has had a HUGE TC and has great chemistry with Cam. He'll likely be their #1. Cotchery is a reliable #2. Avant has been solid as well. Hill would be no better than their #4 WR. Tiquan Underwood has done nothing, so maybe Hill would take his place.
Decker Kerley Nelson Salas Hill Ford (KR/WR) Saunders depending on his injury could take Fords spot. Enunwa to the PS.
Eff Wellington Mara, Schiano and the other morons that want to do away with the KO. It's an exciting part of the game and should remain.
Today for sure. Coming out of Marshall, I believe Moss was timed in the low 4.2 second range in the 40 but of even greater significance, during his prime he had a top gear that was unparalleled.
A less frequently discussed factor influencing Hill's rate of development (or rather the apparent lack thereof) is the ability of the QB throwing him the ball. While some of the receivers have had nice moments this pre-season (Hill included) NONE of them have consistently lit it up, including the established top 20 caliber WR Decker, primarily because a) we don't seem to throw the ball a heck of a lot and b) Smith (who has taken the majority of snaps) hasn't quite been Peyton Manning with respect to the frequency and accuracy of his throws. Add to that we've had to rely on 2nd and 3rd hand camp reports and it makes it difficult to draw any meaningful conclusions. Based on what the CS has said about Hill thus far, I'd be very surprised if he's not on the roster when we break camp.
Randy Moss clocked a 4.25 40 at the 1998 combine. He caught 174 passes with 54 TD's at Marshall in 2 years. Comparing Hill to Moss is like comparing John Candy (6'2", 375 pounds) to Willam "The Refrigerator" Perry (6'2", 382 lbs).
Why the fuck is anyone talking about Randy Moss? The guy is an all-time great. Hill is lucky to still be on an NFL roster right now.
Jerricho Cotchery is one of my all time favorite jets and I definitely root for him when he's not facing us. That said, he's 32 this year and fairly likely to decline significantly. He's had minor injury problems in 4 of the last 5 seasons and odds are the nagging injuries slow him down again. He did have a great bounce-back season last year and he is the consummate professional so maybe he will beat the odds. As long as it doesn't hurt us I hope he does have a great season. If I was the Panthers and I saw a decent prospect on the waiver wire I'd grab him for depth at this point. Their receivers are definitely below average as a group.
This is Hill's last shot, Put up the numbers, Dont get lost in the game. Or we wish you the BEST of luck on your new team.
I'm changing my vote from Ford to Salas. We have to keep him. Salas seems to get better and better every week. This doesn't seem like a preseason fluke to me, as he is seeing some time with first stringers, and has been very consistent. Looked very good at the flanker position, which is exactly where we need the competition. Ford needed that ST edge to get in. He hasn't looked good at all as a Gunner, he muffed a punt last night, and hasn't done anything special on kickoffs (albeit most go for touchbacks). Add that to not standing out as a WR, and i believe he is really on that bubble now. Hakim has outplayed Ford from the ST perspective, and has that top end speed. He may just have an outside shot.
I understand the possible desire to keep Hill due to his size and speed measurables, but one of the things that has consistently hurt the Jets over the last 5 years or so has been keeping players on the the roster because of their potential and not their actual production/play on the field. I don't recall a single one of those types ever developing. IMO it would be criminal NOT to keep Salas on this team. He has been consistently reliable and productive. If he's cut and Hill kept, it puts a lie to Idzik's competition mantra. It would also weaken the team. I think Hill was a bad choice from the get go. I never wanted him. Almost every year there are players coming out of college who have tantalizing measurables and potential who, for whatever reason, never are able to develop and turn that potential and measurables into production on the field. They finally cut bait with Ducasse last season, albeit at the end of the season and wasting a roster spot on him all season. It's time they learned from past mistakes, and cut bait with Hill now. They can't worry about whether he will go to another team and develop. If he did develop elsewhere, it would most likely be from being in a different environment, in a different offensive system that is better suited to whatever talent he does have, and perhaps to better coaching, or at least a different approach or teaching philosophy. I think the WRs who make the roster should be Decker, Kerley, Salas, Nelson, Saunders (if his injury/medical condition aren't serious or likely to be a chronic thing), and Hakim or Gates. I don't think they'll be doing away with kickoffs, and there will be opportunities for kicks to be returned. In those situations, it would be a positive for the team to have someone like Hakim or Gates who are capable of taking it to the house. Ford has shown nothing and doesn't deserve a roster spot. Enunwa will probably clear waivers and can be on the PS. If I'm Idzik/Rex, the only way I'd keep Hill on the roster is if I think Saunders is likely to be unable to play most of the season, Enunwa just isn't ready to contribute yet, and think neither Hakim or Gates are able to contribute anything as a WR either.
