Good point I forgot Fatukasi and Hennessy. I see you didn't mention Sam. You think they should move on? Yeah, both have been huge letdowns. Yeah, good points on Fant and Clark.
Oops! LOL I can't believe I forgot Sam! Thanks! I will add him in. At this point for me, at best, he is a probable, and I think it likely that he is only a maybe, so that's where I put him. I'd love for him to prove the rest of this season that he is our QB going forward, but I just don't think that will or can happen with Gase here. If the Jets wind up with the #1 pick, they almost have to take Lawrence. As much as I now like Sam (or maybe it's just pity), he isn't a generational prospect, and he may have been ruined by Mac's not surrounding him with talent and by Gase. I wouldn't want to have to be in Douglas' shoes if we wind up with the #1 pick. If he gives up on Sam, trades him, Sam goes on to be a star elsewhere and Lawrence doesn't live up to billing, Douglas will get raped in the NY media and by the fan base, and maybe rightfully so. Conversely, if he opts to stick with Sam, and Sam continues to struggle with inconsistency, poor footwork, and accuracy/decision issues while Lawrence becomes an immediate star like Watson and Mahomes (once Mahomes started), he'll really get killed. If I were him, and the Jets wind up with the #1 pick, if a bidding war rises for Sam, I'd probably trade him. If not, I'd take Lawrence and let Sam and Lawrence compete for the starting job. Maybe that competition brings out the best in Sam and things finally click for him. I let the winner start. I showcase the loser in preseason (probably Sam). If I don't get equitable offers for the loser before the season starts, I hold onto him possibly until the trade deadline. It's highly likely that some team's starter will get injured or struggle, and Sam could fetch more. If there are still no quality trade offers, I keep Sam for the entire season and let him walk in FA. At least then, I'd get a bottom of the 3rd round compensatory pick.
I really think Sam will take care of this decision on his own the rest of the season. If he plays well and shows ability, it will also probably result in a couple wins, removing the Jets from the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes. If he isn't talented enough to carry the team to a couple wins, then I think Douglas has no choice but to take Lawrence. You are right though. If Joe Douglas is forced to make that choice, and it backfires, that could be a career ender for him. Keeping Sam and he struggles, while Lawrence wins NFL MVP, or Drafting Lawrence who struggles, while Sam goes on to win MVP on another team. Sounds terrible, but also the Jets luck.
Sam can definitely make this decision for Douglas by playing well and leading the team to several wins. Part of me hopes that he does. With the #2 or #3 pick the Jets could still possible reap a bevy of picks if some team wants to trade up for Fields, Sewell or Chase or could stay put and take one of Sewell or Chase. We need stars and great playmakers, but getting additional picks could also help Douglas turn the team around a lot faster.
There's going to be an obvious coaching change if the Jets continue this course. Then the new staff will decide. It's like anything else: one mans trash is another mans treasure. Four of the the Jets OL starters from last year are playing: Tackle Kelvin Beachum, Cardinals (2-1). Guard Kelechi Osemele, Kansas City Chiefs (3-0). Tackle Brandon Shell, Seattle Seahawks (3-0). Guard Brian Winters, Buffalo Bills (3-0) You just have to coach the players to fit the system.
I initially typed: "This post should be sent to the Johnsons" and then stopped and realized it would do no good because they'd never read it. Instead, it ought to be sent to all the major sports shows so they can underscore just how bad a coach Gase is. This is THE BIGGEST PROBLEM with the Jets, and until they fire him, they will only get worse - NOTE: I didn't say "until they fire him, things won't improve", no, they will continue to get WORSE. Wake the fuck up Johnsons! You are not "saving face", or "demonstrating stability", or any of the other silly reasons you use to justify sitting nothing, you are simply doing what you've always done: fucking this team up.
Yeah...I’m not so sure his issue is that he’s being doubled....his issue is that he’s dropping more balls than he’s catching
For what it's worth (and I figure this was an OK thread to post this), defensive tackles and linebackers are important. I know the Jets as an organization have spent way too much draft capital on the former position, and I'm not advocating we take a top DT or ILB. But all you need to do is watch the Cowboys defense to know how important both positions are.
He needs to spend some money....We cant just draft 1 starter every season.Sign 3 or 4 guarnteed top talent players.Cut Bell...
Yeah, agreed. Jets fans want to win the Super Bowl, but now I think many of us would just take fielding a team we can be proud of. To do that, we need to change coaching staffs and flip the roster, which I think Douglas will do. I really wouldn't use that as an example though. They all joined good teams except Beachum and the Cards still have potential. Yep and they will. 2 first round picks, 2nd round pick, probably one more draft pick will start, so that is 4 new starters. Free Agency sign multiple players. So Douglas can flip the roster in 2 years probably. 2020 is terrible, but I do see potential for a positive future.
I agree....Sams play will determine the course as I also agree that if he plays well enough to show some skills then we probably don’t get the top pick, and if he can’t elevate the team to a few wins and we get the first pick, we HAVE to take Lawrence. You absolutely CAN’T pass on him. No way. You take him and keep Sam and there’s your QB room. That’s a no brainer to me.
The whole “stability” argument drives me fucking nuts. It’s the stupidest thing in the world, as it mistakes causality. the great teams have stability because they have great coaches and/or GMs who win. It’s the talent and winning that leads to the stability, not the other way around. if you have shit coaches, stability will only lead to more shit seasons. Look at our own team...we never improved under Bowles or Mac. 5 years of stability got us five years of shit. look at the Jeff Fisher Rams....stability got them mediocrity. stability only comes when you have talented coaches building winning teams. stupidest argument in the world.... and it drives me nuts
Yeah, great point. Sometimes you know when someone is not going to work. I thought Rex should have been fired after 2012. I thought Bowles should have been fired after 2016. And I feel Gase should go now. You can't just keep coaches around for stability's sake. Everyone talked about how Sam being in the same offense for 2 years would help him. It has been the opposite. So the goal should be to get the right person in here. Once they are, hopefully they can stay a long time. Until then, the Jets need to keep searching. I think they have found their General Manager, so that is a good start.
Not to mention we don’t have the luxury of adding TE to the numerous blatant holes on this roster. Don’t get me wrong, - right now Herndon is awful, - when he reaches hot stinking piece of s—t, then we’ll need a replacement. We have so many hot stinking pieces of a—t before we even look at TE.
I hate to say it, but given how Herndon's playing, suddenly playing like trash, I wonder if he's back drinking again? I hope not, but it would explain the sudden drop off.
I'm tired of this game...It doesn't matter. The JETS will draft players, 80% will be gone by year 3 The ones who are worth a damn will never get money and they'll end up flourishing on another team. Rinse Repeat. But this is exactly what JETS fans want right? ALLLLLL they seem to give a fuk about it Oh, He's too expensive or We'll get an extra 4th round pick. *Hint. WHAT GOOD IS BEING UNDER THE CAP IF YOU AREN'T GOING TO SPEND IT?? JETS do not believe in building a team...pffft, Fuk no. This is about the Johnson's running it like a company without understanding what a foundation actually means in a sports franchise. Until this owner sells, it's going to be the same story over & over again, and watching JETS fans constantly wanting the players to GTFO because they should get paid shows just how idiotic this fan base can be.
Yeah, I could definitely see that happening. Especially if the Jets clean house with their coaches, which they basically have to. Joe Douglas has no allegiance to Sam, so he may want to start fresh too. We will see!
We'll know after week 15 who should still be here, not before week 5. But I guess we have nothing else to talk about.
I always like looking at building the team around the 7 cornerstone pieces (in my opinion) of building a sustainable winner. Them you can supplement around those 7 areas as you build. This is NOT to say you can't win with all 7 before people start pounding away. I just feel you get long term answers at these 7 positions QB - I don't think we have this LT - Early, but Becton seems like the guy C - McGovern - not sure Pass Rusher - going on 2 decades Corner (at least 1 above average corner) - NO, NO, NO Big Play Offensive Talent (Either WR, TE or RB) - Hopefully Mims, but a HUGE no to date. Up the middle Defender (stout d line, MLB or impact safety) - After the Jamal trade, we hope Quinnen can be that guy. Maybe Moseley comes back productive Michael Lombardi, despite what you think of him, said it best on a radio sport I heard him on this week. Many teams build from the outside in (of the organization) and accumulate talent. The GREAT teams build from the inside out (culture and player profile) and assemble teams. The Steelers ALWAYS hit on WR because they have a specific profile. NE always has a great o Line because the draft for their o line profile. Seattle always finds DBs because Pete has his profile. Baltimore always finds LBs that fit a certain mold. I can't remember the last time we could say "The NYJ have a profile of XX for YY position". This is where we have to PRAY Douglas learned from his past mentors
