That's great news! Let's hope it still looks that way next year heading into the draft! That should enable the Jets to get Brick's replacement without having to give up the ranch to move up for him.
Bills defensive scheme is the same we saw under Rex, nothing that can't be adjusted to, single safety, find Marshall, Smith, Decker and attack the one on one, the oline will give Fitz enough time to find the hot route, if Geno is the QB then yes, the oline is in for a long day. Suh on the other hand is a concern, I think Miami is still playing the 4-3, if that's the case then they will be tough to play against with Cameron on the other side. Personally I believe that Genos poor QB play makes the oline look worse than what they are. JMO
How did I insult you in that last post? Because I said it's a silly thing to say? The reality is that the Suh's of the NFL eat up most any guards so it's not like it'd be a surprise if he ran over Brick one on one. That's why zone blocking tendencies use a double team to release to the next level and when facing big dominant interior players the release to the second level doesn't always come. That's a reality when dealing with a top 5 disruptive force in the NFL on the defensive side of the ball. These players get doubled regardless of the blocking scheme or guard/center combination in front of them. You act like we face Suh 16 times a year. Is he going to be a problem? Yes, however he is not a weekly problem. All pro NFL guards this year; Marshall Yanda, 305 Zach Martin, 310 Josh Sitton, 318 Kyle Long, 313 Other top NFL guards (receiving AP votes): Evan Mathis, 298 Jahri Evans, 318 Dan Connolly, 305 Joel Bitonio, 305 Mike Iupati, 331 Other top NFL guards: Clint Boling, 311 Alex Boone, 300 Logan Mankins, 308 David DeCastro, 318 Ben Grubbs, 310 TJ Lang, 318 Andy Levitre, 308 Then you have some 330+ guys: Larry Warford, Louis Vazquez, Geoff Schwartz, Chance Warmack. They are a lot more few and far between. You're the one that's ignorant about the NFL because you have this backwards thought that if he's not 340 lbs and doesn't blow people over and off the line he's not effective. The days of man on man knock your guy over blocking are over because offensive lineman simply can't with the shear size and Brute of defensive lineman. Why do you think zone blocking became popular? It's not only stretch run offenses like Baltimore and Houston that use it, every NFL offenses uses the zone blocking principals because you can't man on man knock a 345 pound nose tackle off the line with a 310 pound guard or center which by the way is about the average size.
Players want to maximize their money but for some players like Brick, whose been a Jet since the beginning and can't make or break his career with a championship, you'd have to imagine they don't want to uproot and bounce around the league as a journey man for another 2-3 years then retire. Maybe I'm wrong but if I'm a player like him that knows I'm going to retire in a out 3-4 years I'd rather stay where I am especially when there's not a huge market for aging left tackles. Let's hope he's cooperative which I think he will be.
People say that, but then we have to pay through the tooth to keep David Harris. What about Andre Johnson? Ferguson's contract was already restructured twice ( in 2012 and in 2013) I believe. I doubt he takes a pay cut to stay here unless he thinks we are a super bowl contender.
I could be wrong but every case is certainly different. If you look at Andre Johnson's contract he took a pay cut and went to a contender yo try to win to improve his hall of fame chances. Wide receivers have been struggling to get into the hall as of late and Andrew Johnson has really only been on two good teams in 12 years. I feel like receivers travel from team to team much easier than other positions do. In terms of David Harris I think the Jets damn well knew if we didn't give him what he wanted he was going straight to Buffalo. Go take a look at the list of inside linebacker replacements for him on the free agency list and it's very thin with only a couple of players whom played in the 4-3. Like I said I could be wrong and he could be very unwilling to restructure I just think he's going to be a player that wants to finish here. I don't think the market is good for him the next two years with a load of young offensive line talent in free agency next year. I will add that I think in most players cases my assumptions are wrong. For D'Brickashaw I just see him wanting to stay. For some reason I envision Mangold being harder to negotiate because he may be more apt to go ring chase and try to push for the Hall of Fame.
Let's hope Brick feels that way - to retire w/ 1 team, for Brick and Mangold to finish their careers together, it could be a good selling point. If Brick has a big time decline then I think the issue will be addressed. I think Brick is still an above average LT at this time.
I tend to agree with you but if we can knock $4-5 million off his contract through manipulating his base into bonuses that would be a huge win for us. It's another position that people like to act like they grow on trees. Left tackles are not easy to find especially those who specialize in pass blocking speed rushers. He wasn't very good last year but he played alongside terrible guard play with a quarterback that routinely shifted in the pocket right into the rushers. When a quarterback slides to where the lineman are blocking the defender it makes the sacks given up look a lot worse than the lineman actually played.
I still think this post is forward looking (not a bad thing). I think in the next offseason we will see tons of movement on our Oline. But for the upcoming season I think we are in an OK place. I'm not overtly concerned with the OLine heading into this year. That said, if 1 year from today the Oline isn't looking different or with a future build I will be nervous.
The Jets can restructure his deal by adding 2 years and ultimately "spreading" that remaining / some lesser money out without spending any extra $$$ on the cap. I am sure a contract can be re-arranged in such a way. Say you knock 4 mill out of 2015 (7m), 2016(7m), and 2017(7m) and allow him to stay 2 more years. The extension allows him to have 6m in 2018, and 6m in 2019. I don't think that's low-balling him, but his play would be declining. He's good against the speed-rushers and if we can get a physical guy in between Brick and Mangold, we could have Brick still play at a decent level.
That's the Tanny way of doing things. Prolong the pain and keep cap hits long after the player has ceased to be worth the money. You're smarter than that. That kind of crap has to stop.
I think we have already kicked the can down the road with Brick and are ow facing the consequences. Pay him what he is worth for the next couple years or just move on.
Brick is not a bad player. I think he still has 3 to 4 years left of good to decent play. My proposal was for Brick to receive about 6m a year to restructure his contract to retire as a Jet. LTs are getting paid far more like Brandon Albert is around 8 to 10m. This isn't the Tanny way of doing things. He would give MORE money to players that didn't completely deserve it. Like Holmes. I'm not about to create another hole on offense. We need upgrades at G, and we need someone to play RT with the option to go to LT a few years down the line. Carolina Panthers are going to have Michael Oher start at LT this season. That man is going to get Cam killed. I am happy with Brick at LT for a little while longer. He needs help.
It most certainly is the Tanny way of doing things. To gain more cap space, he extended the contracts of Thomas and Pace, and maybe another player or two. Whenever you do that, you generally have to give the player MORE money, because otherwise, they're gonna get less money. Brick is being paid like one of the top 5 LTs in the game and he isn't. Maybe in your mind that's not being overpaid, but it most certainly is in mine. I'm well aware of what the Panthers are doing. It's going to prove to be Gettleman's undoing. Cam will probably not re-sign with the Panthers now and will be available as a FA when his contract runs out. You seem to be aware of the importance of the LT position, but then seem perfectly content to be about as risky as Gettleman and the Panthers thinking Brick can protect our QBs blind side for another 3-4 years. I'm sorry, but that's plain nuts and wrong.
See the thing is, if Brick restructures his contract the way I presented (or in similar fashion), he won't be paid like a top 5 lineman, hell it might not even be in the top 10. You wouldn't want to keep Brick for 6m - 7M / yr for the next 3 seasons? I sure would, while we develop the rest of the offensive line in the meantime. Again, I am not giving Brick more money, I am spreading the remaining money on his contract by adding 2 years onto his deal. He's going to take a pay-cut on a year to year basis, but he will be able to retire as a Jet which I am sure is a good selling point. LT position is very important, but I look at the G and RT position and I smell disaster this season. I've been hoping the Jets could find a good G to plug in between Brick and Mangold for some-time now, that could prolong their careers and keep them playing at a high level.
Brick is not giving any signing bonus back and he is not going to play for free (spreading guaranteed money over a longer period). If you are talking about $7 mil total that doesn't sound bad but if you are giving him $7 mil of salary on top of $3mil in bonus money that is $10 mil against the cap that could be used elsewhere. We will have to walk a very fine line to keep Brick without overpaying him.
Talk about putting words into people's mouths. Nowhere did he say that he wanted to give Brick more money. He was talking about displacing the money he was making on his current deal and spread it over additional years. I don't know how you take that and turn it into us paying a player more money. I'm interested in your response regarding offensive guards in the league being these big 340 pound hogs you have alluded to. You copped out of the discussion claiming I was insulting you because I said you were being ignorant about a topic you were being ignorant about and definitively saying a player couldn't do something without truly understanding the intricacies of blocking schemes and offensive line technique.
LOL, you ARE giving him more money, my friend. If the Jets cut Brick next year, they save $9 million on the cap and incur a $5 million cap dead money hit, but after 2016 he's off the cap. You are advocating paying him $7 million for each of the next 3 seasons. That's $21 million spread over 3 years vs the $5 million dead money hit in 2016 and he's off the cap. That's more money. The last time I looked $21 million > $5 million. You're not spreading his remaining money over three years. He's due $14,104,000 next season. If you were spreading that out over 3 seasons, he'd make a little under $5 million per season, not $6-7. I've never heard of a player renegotiating his contract without getting something in return (more money or more money up front). I think you're dreaming if you think he would give up half the value of his contract just to finish his career with the Jets. If he plays 2 more seasons after next season, he's gonna want more money. Even if he didn't, NO, I wouldn't want Brick protecting any Jets QB's blind side in 2017, much less 2018.
