Since Jets are a few years away from contending, restocking the depth should be the first step. Jets need depth along the following area: OL: 2Gs (starters) RT (starter) and depth all over (at least 3) RB: 1 starter (Provided Powell pans out at backup role) WR: 1 starter and 1 depth (provided Holmes gets canned like he's supposed to.) TE: 1 starters and 2 depth QB: 1 thoroughbred starter. (Will need time to groom - at least 1.) DL: 1 DT (3T) depth is Ok. (or they are Ok if they decide to stick to 3-4) LB: 2 starters (OLB), 2 starters (ILBs) and a whole slew of depth. CB: Fine at starters. Maybe 1 more quality depth. (or if Revis returns at affordable price, they are fine even at depth.) Safeties: 2 starters, at least 2 depth bodies. The body count reaches 22+, with starting quality need at 14. The most prudent thing to do would be to trade down and get as many picks as possible. If you consider that it takes about 3 years to get the picks acclimated to starting quality, then you'd realize that getting about 6-7 picks in top 3 rounds this year is critical.
THIS. It is appalling to me how bad our scouting department has been lately. I can't help but feel like almost every team has better drafts than us on average over the past few years. Not to beat a dead horse either, but the Sanchez pick has truly fucked us long term. We gave up so much for it and got a QB who consistently performs in the bottom 3rd of the league, and doesn't even show signs of consistent improvement. With the 5th overall pick you expect to get an RG3, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers-type QB. Granted, you can't always strike gold. But at the same time I'd expect better than a QB who is currently rated second to last in the ENTIRE LEAGUE in passer rating in his 4th season. If that isn't a bust I don't know what is. What do most of the really good teams have in common? Either they have a franchise QB or have an unbelievably complete team otherwise (Texans, 49ers, etc) We have neither of these, as our entire team basically sucks. I believe it would benefit us sooner to put our efforts towards drafting a true franchise quarterback and THEN restock the rest of our team, instead of the other way around. Again though, I think unfortunately our biggest problems are at the top. We don't seem to do a good job at all of A) Drafting good young players and B) Developing said players. This deficiency has truly fucked our team lately. We need new scouts and at the very least a new QB coach.
Sign or trade for a beast pass rusher. Re-sign Landry if he continues to play good and doesn't get hurt. Draft a pass rusher, Jarvin Jones, Mingo, Sam Montgomery. OFFENSE Get a O-linemen or two either thru trade/draft or FA Sign a RB, MJD Perhaps ? maybe get a speed receiver. Let Keller go and get another TE who doesn't miss an entire season with a hamstring injury.
Well for starters Keller,Greene,Bart Scott,LaRon Landry,Bell and Bryan Thomas are free agents. Out of all of them the only ones id bring back are Landry and Keller. I know alot of people rather probably see Keller walk but good tight ends are really hard to come by.Landry's been a beast and he has to come back. But as far as free agency signings I would look at Reggie Bush, And at WR Braylon Edwards or Dwayne Bowe , at DE Connor Barwin could be a much needed addition on defense. I would also look at cutting Eric Smith and bringing back Leonhard in Smiths current role. As far as coaches and management, Tony Sparano has got to go he isn't right for this team and in that same breath we should look at a new QB's coach assuming Sanchez is still on this team next season. I think Tanny get's another year to try and write his wrongs if this becomes a losing season,Sparano will most likley be the scape goat but I think it's gonna take alot more for Rex to get canned espeically since we lost Revis and Holmes and all our other injurys. Management will have plenty of excuses as to why this season went wrong. Tebow will still be a Jet unless we cut or trade him witch will likeley happen unless he ends up starting for us this season and brings us on a run then who knows what the future will be,And as far as the draft im going on the offensive side of the ball this time in the first round looking for a RB or a stud WR or even OLine
if we can't get geno smith (which i honestly don't expect to do) i'd want to draft a quality RB like marcus lattimore then go WR again in the 2nd round. We need an offensive overhall and if we are going to stick with sanchez atleast put weapons around him.
Flawed logic really... People used this argument last year when I brought up drafting an RB early in the 1st 2 rounds... "You can get RB's late in the draft" Yes, some teams can. But not this team. We've spent a 3rd, 4th and 5th recently on RB's and no one has proved to be a starting caliber RB. Leveon Bell, Joseph Randle, Stepfan Taylor, or even Gio Bernard, should be targets between the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Basically, RB has to be taken this year in the first 3 rounds. Our scouting department cant scout shit when it comes to RBs. Other teams can draft them out of the 1st or 2nd and become studs, but this team isnt going to. If we are drafting between 14 or beyond, Lattimore should be in SERIOUS consideration (with that said, I think we are drafting in the top 5).
Neither of those will happen. Nor should they. We are probably in rebuild mode after this year and big signings in FA should be nowhere in the mind of the front office. BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT. Period.
Obviously, the key to getting those picks would be to trade down in the 1st and pick up some picks... Getting a very good QB prospect is hard to do out of the top 12 or so and most likely will have to be within the first 5 picks. Also, you encounter the problem of finding a trade partner.
Shit where gonna rebuild already ? Damn... Alright so be it, let's just hope Tanny doesn't fuck up on the draft.
Please don't speak for us because you have no idea what you're talking about. Miller was a 4th round pick who has talent but no where near capable of starting he's having some problems learning the playbook and is a terrible blocker. He has great speed and can read what's going on in the moment but he's a guy you want under your best RB like Foster-Tate. I also don't know who's the 2nd guy you're talking about maybe Thomas? He has been complete garbage this season and looks to have been a bad pick. He's average at best for a 3rd stringer. Maybe to your standards where your running game is crap they are capable to be enough for a team running game but I think you're smoking something great. Either way we've already start contract negotiations and Reggie has said he wants to stay here.
This is what I would do. Get a veteran RB (Stephen Jackson, Reggie Bush, Peyton Hillis) while allowing Powell and McKnight to get more playing time. Sign a veteran wide receiver (Dwayne Bowe, Jerome Simpson, Ramses Barden) let Stephen Hill and Kerley continue their development. Let Brandon Moore go and slide Vlad into the starting line up, use the draft to add depth to the tackle and guard spots. re-sign Dustin Keller and sign Travis Beckum to be the blocking tight end This year would be a make or break year for Sanchez considering that this is the last year of his current contract. Projected offense QB- Sanchez RB- Stephen Jackson? WR- Santonio Holmes WR- Dwayne Bowe? WR- Jeremy Kerley TE- Dustin Keller RG- Vlad RT- Austin Howard C- Nick Mangold LG- Matt Slausen LT- D'Brickashaw Fergusen Defense Re sign the following players, Revis, Landry, Maybin, Bell. Draft the best pass rushers available in the first and second round. Let Scott, Thomas, Pace, E Smith and Devito walk. So the defense ILB- David Harris ILB- Demario Davis OLB- 1st round draft pick LE- Mohammed Wilkerson NT- Kendrick Ellis (Puoha will be the backup) RE- Quinten Coples OLB- 2nd round draft pick S- LaRon Landry S- Yeramiah Bell CB- Darrelle Revis CB- Antonio Cromartie CB- Kyle Wilson Overall draft 2 pass rushers, 2 o line men, a safety, and a line backer
First and foremost, the Jets need to figure out their identity both offensively and defensively. Do they want to be a smash-mouth, run-dominated offense like the 49ers? Are the Jets' two best offensive linemen, D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold suited for Tony Sprano's current man-blocking scheme or does the zone-blocking scheme fit them best? You're not moving either player so it's best to build around their strengths. Perhaps the Jets would prefer to air it out like many other teams are doing in the current NFL? With the salary cap, it's difficult to have the ability to dominate both the run and the pass, so it's probably best to pick one and build around that philosophy. For the defense, do they want to continue to run their 3-4 or do they want to convert to a 4-3? If they keep running their 3-4, can Kenrick Ellis be a viable starting nose tackle beginning in 2013 (I'm assuming Sione Pouha won't be resigned)? Can Quinton Coples play the 3-4? If so, can he be one of the rare impactful 3-4 defensive ends like J.J. Watt? If the Jets move to a 4-3, where does that leave David Harris? Can Demario Davis be a legitimate starting ILB? It's important the Jets figure out before the draft if they're going to primarily be a 4-3 team or a 3-4 team because it's obvious the team needs a pass rusher and it's important they select a player that will fit whatever scheme they plan on utilizing as the organization moves forward. Rather than once again tearing everything down and rebuilding, I'd prefer to admit that last season and this season (looks to be this way) turned out to be disappointments and the drafts have been sub-par since 2007. But I believe there is hope because there are legitimate pieces to build upon. Stephen Hill and Jeremy Kerley are both still very young and have shown promise (in fact, I'm pretty confident in saying I think Kerley will be a more than serviceable slot wide receiver for a long time). D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold are both terrific offensive linemen (I know D'Brickashaw wasn't great last year and hasn't been this season, but there's enough evidence to suggest that he can be a great left tackle). Muhammad Wilkerson has shown that he will probably be a very good defensive lineman for years to come. Both Quinton Coples and Kenrick Ellis are very young but have shown flashes of their own big time ability. David Harris will never be mistaken for Darrell Green, but paired with the right ILB (assuming the Jets remain a 3-4 team), he can still be a very productive player. Darrelle Revis is the best cornerback in the league and while there will be a contract issue and his health to deal with next season, Revis is still a Jet and for all intents and purposes, still the best at his position until proven otherwise. Kyle Wilson may not turn out to be the stud CB the Jets thought they were getting when he was drafted, but he should be a very solid nickel CB in the league for a while and considering how often teams use 3+ WR sets, a solid nickel CB is a valuable commodity. So where could the Jets use upgrades? Quarterback is the most obvious but due to the cap situation, Mark Sanchez will still be on the roster for 2013 and I'm not sure that's a terrible thing. Yes, I'm disappointed Sanchez hasn't reached the point I hoped he'd be by his fourth season, but outside of a good to great rushing attack and offensive line in both 2009 and 2010, both units have declined in production both last season and this year. And don't forget, Mark never really had elite wide receiver talent (I know he had chemistry with Braylon Edwards and I know Santonio Holmes has made some big catches and is paid like a big time wide receiver, but no one will be confusing either player as "elite" any time soon) which hasn't helped. And now he's running a totally new offensive system. I'm not trying to make excuses for Sanchez because regardless of the things I've listed, he should be further along/more productive than he currently is, but I also don't think he's as terrible and/or hopeless as some other folks believe. Next is running back. Shonn Greene hasn't developed into the running back we thought he'd turn into following his great 2009 postseason and I'm less optimistic about Greene than I am Sanchez. It's too early to make any judgments on Bilal Powell but I think it's obvious the Jets need a new RB, especially if they elect to be the ground and pound team Rex desires. I don't believe spending big money on an aging free agent is the way to go here so hopefully they strike gold in the draft. I wouldn't reach for a RB, especially because the Jets have enough holes that going with a "best player available" philosophy for ever round should be the way to go, but hopefully need will meet value for the RB position at some point in the draft. On paper, Santonio Holmes, Stephen Hill and Jeremy Kerley isn't a terrible wide receiving core. The problem is the Jets have no depth after those three and for starters, the aforementioned names isn't exactly the great group ever. Similar to RB, hopefully need will meet value at some point in the draft for WR. I'm not a draft guru but it seems like there isn't an elite WR prospect this season like an A.J. Green, Julio Jones or Justin Blackmon in past years and that's a disappointment. Dustin Keller has had flashes of being a good pass catching tight end, but it's always been flashes and not much else. He's still not a great blocking TE and his smallish size limits his red zone effectiveness. Keller is a free agent after this season who is probably due for a decent payday but if I'm the Jets, I don't pay much to retain his services. I'd rather look to the draft to see if there's any of those big 6'5+ tight ends who can block are available. They don't grow on trees but they're not a myth either. The offensive line still needs help. It's above average in pass protection but below average in run blocking. D'Brickashaw and Mangold are more than solid, but both guard positions and RT could use an upgrade. If there's a no-brainer offensive lineman on the board when the Jets are on the clock in the first round, I wouldn't think twice before selecting someone for the OL. The pass rush is still lagging and is probably the safest bet to be addressed in the draft as there's apparently a lot of OLB prospects coming out this year. Assuming the Jets remain in the 3-4 and wind up going 7-9 or thereabouts, the Jets should be able to draft a good future pass rusher. If the Jets move to the 4-3, I don't know how many (if any) big time pass rushing DE's are declaring for the draft but let's hope the Jets have options. Kind of piggybacking on the last paragraph, but the Jets need desperate help at linebacker. If they remain in the 3-4, they need two OLB's and probably another ILB. If they move to the 4-3, I don't think David Harris would work as a MLB so you're looking at a whole new crew at LB. This position is probably the most pressing on the entire defense, maybe the whole team. The secondary is still solid, especially if Revis returns and returns to form. Antonio Cromartie will still be on the team for at least 2013 and if you pair him with Revis and Kyle Wilson, you'e still got a good CB group. With LaRon Landry and Yeremiah Bell taking over at the two safety spots, the S play has improved over the 2010 and 2011 productivity. It seems that the safety position is getting thinner with each passing year and there haven't been too many big time S prospects since Eric Berry and I'm not sure this season will be any different but if there is, it wouldn't be a bad spot to try to upgrade although I don't think safety need is very high. Bottom line, I'd prefer to stock up through the draft, cool it on trading up in the draft (unless it's for a perceived no-brainer like a Jarvis Jones) and relax on the free agent spending. I'd like to see some continuity on the team and would rather the team build on its current pieces rather than do another rebuild. But hey, we're only entering Week 5 and if the Jets upset the Texans and Sanchez looks like he did in Week 1 (I'm not counting on it but anything is possible), then the entire board's mood will change and a lot of these topics will become moot.
younger offense that can grow together, look at our O guys have no chemistry at all, this team would grow with each other and in 3 years they'd be firing on all cylinders, look at how Green Bay's team came together you cant expect quick results when building through the draft
1. Sanchez's presence should tell you something. The likes of Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco are exception, and not rule. You want to give at least a year or two to the rookie QB, so he can learn. Sanchez will provide that window. (Sucks to be him, but then he sucks anyway.) 2. That said, you want some real offensive guru that knows how to produce at NFL level. Tony Sparano is exactly not that. I do not think Schottenheimer was that offensive guru either - so there's no loss in personnel quality. Also, it speaks volumes about the quality of the coaching staff Jets have assembled. They suck too. (Before I forget: fuck you, Cav. Just die in a fire.) 3. All in all, you can say that, given a proper coaching, sufficient coaching and practice/experience, you should be able to find a decent QB even in 3rd round range. (But I'd jump the gun once I have the team almost set up, only needing that franchise QB, +- some depth here and there.) 4. If Tannenbaum hasn't learned his lesson YET, and he goes berserk at free agency AGAIN, then he should be fired on that very spot. Unless you have otherwise a complete, championship-calibre roster all over, he should avoid free agency like a plague. (Maybe depth guys at cheap price, but no more.)
That hurts. I'm not a believer in the trading up system and I can't seem to remember a team with good depth that followed this strategy to consistently grab somebody they felt is on the next tier when drafting. Trading up should be for what you think are franchise players ... otherwise sit there & wait.
I really like the way you put that together, I really like Bell and Landry as our two Safety's. At this pace their both on their way to almost 100 tackles for the season and I haven't seem them mess up on coverage yet. I agree with the RB position, we can work with a FA for 1 season at least then try and draft a stud next year. We just have too many needs this upcoming offseason to get one so early.
The best thing this organization could do next offseason is have someone other than Mike Tannenbaum running our draft.
