Sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree with you regarding the TE position. The only player even remotely close to Howard's talent is Ndoku. There are only 4 other 2-way TEs in this draft and all are pretty limited (Butt, Leggett, Sprinkle and Roberts, and Sprinkle has character concerns). The rest are move TEs or H-Backs. I strongly believe the Jets need 2-way TEs, not a move TE or another H-Back (we already have a very good one in Enunwa, unless he is moved to the #1 WR spot.). I think we need to have at least 3 TEs on the roster. With ASJ, we still need 2. Maybe one of the other young TEs already on the roster can function as the 3rd TE, or perhaps in the last cut downs, the Jets will be able to add a veteran TE cheaply as the 3rd TE. I think a move TE would be a luxury the Jets can't afford unless they plan on drafting two of them and the other is a 2-way TE. They need TEs that will make the offense less predictable, and they need TEs who can block and help the OL in pass protection and run blocking.
Ladies and Gents, I don't know how many of you have been watching Grudens QB Camp this season but you can clearly see how unworthy these QB's are of first round selections compared to QBs from past seasons. From the inability to read defenses, to not knowing what a hard snap count is .. oh boy! I know Maccagnan believes in selecting a QB in each draft but I sure hope if he does, it's later in the draft in the form of someone like Nate Peterman, CJ Beathard or Kizer if he falls .. a QB with Pro-style experience. Personally, unless he loves one of the prospects available, I hope he passes on drafting a QB this year and gives the reps to Pettenberg. Next years draft will have more than usual amount of QB's that played in a college pro-style offense.
I have been supportive of Mac as have liked his FA philosophy and BPA draft philosophy. Buy if he throws that out the window to draft a QB I will lose faith in him. Reaching for a QB at 6 reeks of desperation and self interest of trying to keep his job in 2018 putting that over the best interests of the team. I have been confident all winter that Mac would not use the 6 pick on a QB as the value is so bad. Bit of late there have been so many rumors linking the Jets to a QB I wonder if they are correct. I don't have much respect for guys like Conner Hughes as likely they are just trying to get page hits but when one sees so much smoke often there is a fire. As much as the media is annoying often they are right. I hope they are wrong. There is a heavy price to be paid for taking a high 1st round QB bust. They are not as easily disposable as a 2nd round bust. Trubisky at 6 could mean additional 5 years of suffering and set us back for a long time.
The media has broken towards Deshaun Watson in a big way the last week. They obviously think the Jets are thinking QB and thinking QB they can put on the field this year, which makes sense given the fact that two prior draftees are having trouble getting there. This is the price Mac is paying for drafting Hack last year. It's why you should not overdraft a prospect you fall in love with.
You definitely make good points NCJ. Though considering the type of offense we are bringing in, percentages on how often Te's are actually called to block and TE trends like the success of TE's picked after the 1st rd, id have to stay put. Ndoku is the prospect I hope we select. Not only is he already physically built for the position but has shown to be explosive at his current weight and at his age has not reached his full potential.
Mac announced early on he wants to trade down Now there are leaks the Jets want to get a QB To me its just strategy to polish our 6th spot for QB hungry trade partners jmho
This is my hope, but QB fever happens and Mac is under pressure despite what Woody says. I think the Jets should have extended both guys through 2019 this offseason then fired them after 2018 if necessary. Would have changed the dynamics a bit.
What you say about Ndoku is true, and it's easy to understand why you would want him, but he's also very raw. He saw limited snaps, and I don't think ever started at Miami. He has the size to be a good blocker, and according to his draft profile, seems to have the willingness, but imo the Jets need someone who is already pretty proficient at blocking and more experience. Unless he's a quick learner, or the Jets feel confident in ASJ, I'm not sure trading down and hoping to land Ndoku is the best idea. IMO their first round pick has to start, and I don't think he would. I think ASJ would start. What if they trade down and then don't get him? They'll be able to add a TE prospect, but it won't be anyone who will make a big impact at the position.
NC ----I feel , just as I do with Richardson, possibly more so that its only a matter of time before ASJ gets in trouble . He has a lot of talent but sadly is a knucklehead and I dont feel we can count on him as a starter. Tampa gave this guy every chance and all he did was blow each opportunity . At one time last year despite all his talent he was 3rd or 4th on their depth chart . I dont know if drafting a TE early is the answer but we need a TE .
I totally understand your perspective, and can't say that I disagree with it. I'm hopeful, but not that optimistic. The thing is, that if Morton truly plans to utilize the TE in his offense, then we need 3 of them at a minimum. At a minimum, we need a starter and a backup. That's if they plan to use a backup OL as a 2nd TE in short-yardage and red zone situations. If they don't have any plans to use a backup OL as a 2nd TE, then we need 3 TEs, and if Mac and Bowles have any doubts about ASJ's ability to stay sober, then they may need to keep 4 on the final roster. Further, unless they think they can sign a veteran camp cut TE or like one of the younger TEs on their roster and think he can develop/step up this season to serve as depth, then they may need to take two TEs in the draft.
yes the hard snap count....that's not so bad. LOL. Favre didn't know what nickel and dime coverage meant when he arrived in atlanta
its all good, come next Thursday i'll be sipping from a favorite bev, tuning out the wife and kids, and fully expecting the jets to have another youtube draft moment. it doesn't get any better. LOL
Ndoku was the full time starter at TE in 2016. Actually I don't even see the need to draft a TE in Rd 1, given the talent at the position. I just personally prefer Ndoku. I guess we'll have to disagree and see how the lot turns out .. but I think a handful will be impactful productive players in the league. As much as I like Howard, I just don't see him being dominant. Will he be productive .. yes, but not dominant. Thus tipping the scale in favor of a trade down and passing on him at 6. Hopefully there will be a suitor for the trade as I just need picks, picks and more picks.
Thanks for the correction. I was going by one of the scouting reports I read, as I only saw part of one Miami game this past season. No one said that we had to agree. As I said I can understand why you like Ndoku. With regards to being "dominant," I guess that depends upon what you mean by that term. If he is a perennial Pro Bowler or all Pro at the position, then that's pretty darned good. It may not be dominant, but is more than good enough to make the Jets' offense a LOT better. Unless he doesn't love football, with his speed and natural ability, if he works hard at all, I could easily see him becoming a dominant player. I think some of the move TEs have a chance to impactful fairly early on other teams, but again imo a move TE is not ideal for the Jets. I think the other 4 2-way TEs can become productive players, but I don't think Roberts or Butt will ever be impactful. I think Leggett and Sprinkle (if his shoplifting was a one-time dumb mistake and it's not symptomatic of character issues) could become impactful, but think it might take them 2-3 seasons to reach that point.
Lol @ shoplifting .. the NFL's version of Winona Rider. Dominant meaning - in my eyes he's not going to make the impact the elite TE's such as Gronk make. I see him becoming a lower top tier TE, productive but Not game changing. Every draft the same pros and cons are raised about the top TE's entering the NFL, and every year you see the TE's drafted after round 1 being as successul if not more than their 1st round and day 2 counterparts with pools far weaker than this years. As for a TE in a West Coast Offense .. they are usually not called on to block as often as they are to route run, but I do hope we select an End that is versitle. I agree that Howard has shown to be the top TE in college entering the draft, but I think is overrated in that he will be head and shoulders superior to his peers in the NFL.
I think you raise a good point: No matter how good any player - TE in this case - might be, it's heavily dependent on how they're used by the team that takes them. That presents a BIG problem for anyone the Jets take, given what we've seen of them under Bowles.
