I belive this is the reality of the situation. If he's there at 16 I highly doubt we even listen for offers for the pick.
First off, RB in my eyes is a big hole. Its probably the most underrated hole. It wouldnt be such a huge whole on 80% of the other teams in the league, but it is on the Jets. We live and die at the hand of the run game- if we can run the ball, we can keep our defense fresher and the opposing QB off the field, Sanchez is a QB that thrives with a quality run game and it is the type of game the Rex and TS want to have. Our current backs are average at best, and on a ground and pound team, average doesnt cut it. No one stands out at all. Greene is a good 2nd string back, but thats all. Plus his contract is up in a year so the RB position IS going to be a blatant hole within the next two years. And frankly, I do not think you really grasped the point of my post, because you countered it by saying that getting more picks means more holes filled, which is completely the opposite of what I said. With TR, you know what you are getting right then and there. Barring an injury, he could be the best back in the league in a year or two; he has that kind of upside. By trading back, you dont know who you are going to get, and more times than not in past history teams have failed to hit on both picks that they gained. So saying that because we trade back and pick up more picks means that we fill more holes is extremely hopeful and supportive of our FO.
Come again? Are you saying move back to 17 and then trade that to the Browns? The Bengals will not guarantee that they will not take Richardson, they will take him, I guarantee it. Best prospect to come out in a while at the position and they already have a top 5 O-Line in both pass pro, and run blocking. They have a sophomore QB getting settled in, a generational WR in Green, a nice TE target in Gresham. Their offense would be lights out with a stud RB and they know it. They need a CB since they were unable to sign J. Joseph back last offseason and Leon Hall is hurt but no one (save maybe Claiborne) is as transcendental at CB as Richardson is at RB, especially at 16.
I think what he is saying, is you don't trade the pick if they are only going to take Richardson. If the Bengals sign a RB in FA, and michael bush has been linked very strongly to them, they may pass on a RB early. maybe they have fallen in love with Jonathon martin, or Cordy Glenn and fear we are going to take them from them. You never know because for some reason logic always passes certain teams bye
Taking into account all the powers on your list that are going 1-15, I would trade back the one spot with the Bengals & take Jonathan Martin. But IMO, Jonathan Martin will be taken in the 1-15 as opposed to Mike Adams. Then I still take the Bengals trade, back to 17 and take Nick Perry. No way he gets past San Diego at 18. In other words,......take the trade with the Bengals everyday.
Maybe, but I don't see them freaking out about not being able to draft a position that is already a really strong unit. They'll probably be targeting Kirkpatrick if they get a RB they covet in FA.
Guys just keep in mind, the teams are trading up in this scenario FOR Trent , so please don't mull the idea that hopefully they won't pick him, because that's not the focus of the thread.
The easy answer is wait for FA to see how the roster has shuffled and if we have managed to go into the draft with a lot of our questions answered. If we are in as dire of a cap situation as we appear to be and can't have a solid FA period, we should trade down. We know we have to sign QB2 so that's less money to play with. From what I'm gathering, we can't afford anybody but a stop-gap at OLB in FA. But, if we are able to sign solid players at 2 of these three positions: RT, S, WR, then we can take Richardson. We can't fill all the holes this off-season, and you can never really have zero holes. This is Greene's last year under contract, so in essence this would be effectively plugging in a future hole and having a really nice 3-headed rushing attack for one year.
I would take the Brown's offer. #22 Dont'a Hightower #37 Kelechi Osemele #47 Doug Martin 3 impact players. Many are ignoring Hightower's ability, he can play all LB positions.
Take the Bengals offer if Mike Floyd is around though I doubt they'd give up a 2nd round pick to move up 1 spot and I think the Bengals would tell Mr.T on the phone to "Take Richardson" and test Tannebaum of doing so.
I think that the last thing in the world that we need to sign is QB2 considering the cap. McElroy already gave us a little flash of something last year and there's no reason we can't just take one of those compensatory picks and throw another QB on the roster. You can figure that between the 2 of them one of them might turn into a promising backup. Let's face it, if Sanchez goes down for any extended period we're not going anywhere unless our QB2 turns into a QB1. Besides getting lucky on our acquisition, we're not going to have the cash to pay such a guy to come here. If we could, it would be $ better spent elsewhere. Definite trade-back possibility is Hightower. I guess you could be pretty confident you'll get your pick of Hightower and Perry if they're both acceptable to you. Is your long-term plan with Hightower to put him in mostly on the outside this year and plan for him to replace Bart in a year or two?
This would be a very good scenario. If these were the picks, then I might do it. Either Hightower or Perry could be available at 22, which would be great value at a position of need, and I love Doug Martin... One of my favorite prospects. Problem is, we dont know what we’ll get when we trade down. These players could easily be gone by there respective positions here and with TR you know what you will get. Hypothetically, if TR was off the board and the Browns wanted Michael Floyd and offered us this, I would take it in a heart beat. That would be a no brainer IMO.
I'm just going by what the brass has said. Seemingly everyone is in agreement that Sanchez needs some kind of threat behind him. It's not a pretty position to be in with our cap limitations, but we might have to. McElroy has been under center for probably around 100 not-so-meaningful snaps in the league.
I love the first two picks, and would sign up for Martin in a heartbeat, but I doubt he lasts that long. but we could grab a guy like Trumaine Johnson, George Iloka, Shae McClelin, a receiver he has fallen some if Martin isnt around. I have heard (around senior bowl time) that the Jets really really like Doug Martin. With that draft we are getting 3 starters, at the expense of one Trent Richardson (which would also negate the drafting of Martin in this scenario). I like the move. I also think, we could probably squeeze some more out of cleveland if this scenario was to come to fruition.
Which maybe hints towards poor talent evaluation by the FO in the mid rounds, or at least towards the RB position... Theres not much evaluating when it comes to TR. By trading back, you risk missing on not only one very high pick, but two.
Exactly where I went next. I'm starting to come around on Johnson being a top of the line safety prospect in this class. I also think his versatility might be somewhat overstated. I don't think he will amount to much as a corner
That Lynch deal is huge, that really helps the case of TRich falling since they were a possible team to draft him. If he gets past the Bucs, watch out.
