Ugh. Life would be so much good if we went like Martin/Glenn - Curry (Perry if available) - Sanu/whoever looks good and is there with our last 2nd round pick. But Richardson....the rest of the team will be in shambles trying to plug leaks....but Richardson....we could always go LB in the 2nd and S/OT/OG wherever we need it more depending on FA in the 3rd. Let's just have a great FA and we can't fail to get some cool goodies in the draft. Also with Poe climbing up boards and being the only premier NT prospect he could easily crack the top 15 too. That would just leave another huge value on the board for us to maybe let us get our man in Upshaw or make a double trade down even that much more attractive if not.
Depends on who is left on the board. If the next BPA (specifically for the Jets) will still likely be available at #22 then I'm all over the Browns offer with a view to snaring someone like Barron with #37 - otherwise I'll trade with the Bengals.
Very good question. I say trade down with the Browns if we were going to reach at 16 anyways. With the way the team is, it cannot hurt to gather another early pick.
If DeCastro isn't on the board at 16, I would love to do what Cleveland did in the 09 draft, and trade back 3-4 times in round 1. In this scenario, go from 16 to 17 (cincy), net a 3rd. Then call the Lions and say Jonathon Martin is still available, you'd be stupid to not come get him, you have to keep Mr. Glass on the field! net a 2nd to drop from 17-23. Then call the 49ers at 23 and let them know that Kendall Wright/Alshon Jeffery is still on the board, and they would be wise to come get a WR to open up the middle of the field even more for Vernon Davis. So thats 3 trade backs, we picked up 2 2nds and a 3rd this year, and we are still picking at 29, a spot which will have at least 1 of the following still available in Mercilus, Perry, Glenn, Kendall Wright, Alshon Jeffery, Dontari Poe, Donta Hightower, Stephen Hill, Kelechi Osemele, Mark Barron and somebody else whose name I am forgetting. We traded back 13 spots from our original pick, still get a solid prospect, which is probably in consideration at 16 for us and net 3 extra selections in the next two rounds. Sign me up. Never in a million years will it happen, but could you see us netting this in the first 3 rounds? Alshon Jeffery WR Kelechi Osemele OT Trumaine Johnson CB/S Shae Mcclelin OLB Jonathon Massaquoi OLB B.J. Cunningham WR Um, hell yeah.
Oh and in the real world, take the browns offer. You keep the Bengals from forming a trifecta (remember we have to compete against them for WC's so it should enter the conversation some what) Of Dalton-Richardson-Green You get the #37 overall, a slot where a very good OT prospect, Kelechi Osemele could very well fall too if the Giants don't take him at #32. You get the chance to add a big playmaker, either at WR or pass rusher at #23. Its hard to lose in that situation if you're us. I also agree with whomever mentioned we should be able to get a little more out of them considering its the bengals in the mix and we only drop 1 spot.
Looking @ what Cleveland did in 09, you have to have a whole new respect for Tanny Here are their draft picks Round 1 (21st overall): C Alex Mack, California Round 2 (36): WR Brian Robiskie, Ohio State Round 2 (50): WR Mohamed Massaquoi, Georgia Round 2 (52): OLB David Veikune, Hawaii Round 4 (104): LB Kaluka Maiava, USC Round 6 (177): DB Don Carey, Norfolk State Round 6 (191): DB Coye Francies, San Jose State Round 6 (195): RB James Davis, Clemson Of those guys every single one other than Mack is an absolutely useless sack of shit and or not playing in the nfl anymore. Every one !
We would draft t Richardson in a second ..Sparano is our oc and he's the best player available ...he is just too much to pass on
I picked the Brown situation. Adding a couple "good" players is better than one "great" player. Who is to say the three "good" players won't be great and the one "great" player won't be a bust. Much better chance of draft success with more picks. Value can be found all over the place. Just ask Cotch, Leon, and Rhodes. Figures all three of them are gone. FU tanny. What if the Browns landed Peyton? Would they be more willing or less willing to trade up for a better running game? Do we take Richardson or other scenario? Questions, questions, questions..........
You take Richardson if he's there at 16. Now I wouldn't be mad taking the browns offer, but I wouldn't pass on Richardson if he's there at 16
Yeah I mean I did vote that way it's hard not to. Life gets a lot more complex, but we become an entirely different offense in one fell swoop it's hard to pass up. He'd force men in the box and give Sanchez easier completions. Wears down the defense so Greene is more effective. Makes it easier on receivers on 3rd and short/medium. And you can still pursue your OLB playmaker in the 2nd. That's a lot to pass up.
Also, keep in mind that Richardson is about the safest and surest pick we could probably make in the draft maybe aside from DeCastro. He is the real deal. We arent too sure on the other players that we would be trading back for and Richardson has the upside to become the best back in football... If he’s there and we dont pick him, calling it upsetting would be an understatement. And how many teams have ever traded back and hit on all of the picks they picked up?... I would like to say that its far more than those that have succeeded. Just thinking of recent trade backs in recent drafts- Patriots trade back pretty much every year and hve failed more times than succeeding. Ravens traded back in 2010 and picked up Sergio Kindle who hasnt played a game in the NFL and a quality NT. Miami traded back with SD and got Koa Misi and Jared Odrick, neither have turned into anything very notable. Cleveland got one quality player after trading down multiple times in the 09 draft. I dont feel like going through all of the trades in the first round, but point is, if you have the real thing like TR at pick 16, you take him without looking back because the likelihood of getting two quality players that can be as valuable the best RB prospect since AP are very very slim.
True but heres the big issue. If we get T Rich, we dont fill a need at all. All were doing is saying this is Greenes last year, and were gonna replace him with Trich. So net benefit to the team is an upgrade (probably significant), and a NEW need for a change of pace back. If we trade down you're talking two, possibly 3 needs filled with low contract guys for the next 4 years minimum. As well as increased salary cap flexibility for a cap strapped team. Our needs at OLB and Safety are nothing short of gargantuan at this time, and our needs @ OL (RT/RG) are urgent. And MLB is also an important need, with wr as just a need. Basically we NEED at LEAST 7 guys who can be starters at those positions within the next 2 seasons (not counting wr). If we can fill at least 3 of those needs in the first 2 rounds, and one via FA that puts us in excellent position to fill the rest the following draft/fa. If we draft Trich then we have limited flexibility with our second pick, and it means we will have virtually no chance of filling all those needs in the next 2 years. Dont get me wrong TRich is a great pick, and it would be hard to complain if we got him. But if we can get a 1st,2nd, and possibly a mid rounder (or just a pick swap/upgrade somewhere) that does so much more for us. Not to mention if we did trade down, it could give us the ammo to trade up with our later picks (since we got all those extra comp picks to use anyway). That way potentially leaving us with a 1st, two 2nds then either a 3rd 2nd or two 3rds (assuming we traded up). Thats a lot of impact guys, or at the least cheap depth with potential.
If TRich makes it to 16, first thing we do is thank the football lords for 15 teams being so dumb, then we trip over ourselves getting the pick in. Trade down is always a tempting option but when we want to be a ground and pound team and the best RB prospect in years is staring us in the face we jump all over it. If Richardson is available, we take him. I don't care who else is available. Unless of course some team gets crazy stupid with an offer or there are more medical concerns then we are aware of.
I would put Rex on the phone with both teams to tell them how great he thinks Richardson is, then take the phone away from him, tell them to sweeten the deal and hang up. Then I wait for a better deal until there's a minute left and take Richardson unless they offer more.
I would trade down in a heartbeat. I don't like taking a running back in the first round so this is a no-brainer to me. You can find elite runners in later rounds.
If we could move into the top 40 picks by dropping down 6 picks, the jets should jump at the opportunity. If the jets could drop 1 slot and pick up another pick, they should jump for the opportunity. However, if we could trade the 16th pick for 17 and the bengals guarantee not to take Richardson, we could still make trade with the browns. ie. DeCastro is available, and they pay us off not to take him. (sorry just saw your mock in this thread, Glenn?) In any case, if Richardson is available and there is a nice trade option, take the trade. Otherwise, Jump on Richardson.
