At the risk of being labeled a homer... yea, we were definetely super bowl contenders in 2002. Going into the playoffs, the Jets were the team that nobody wanted to play. We stomped out the Colts, with an experienced Peyton Manning, was it 41-0? The Jets were absolutely playoff contenders. Then they lost. Being a contender means you had a chance, so losing doesnt mean you were never a contender to begin with. As for 2004, the Jets SHOULDNT have been anything close to a contender, because they SHOULD have been playing with Quincy Carter at the helm. Pennington played through injury and gave us a great finish to the season. This I guess is where a lot of fans have split opinions. I enjoyed the hell out of that postseason. The game over the chargers was a blast, and losing to the steelers by a fingernail... a disappointing way to lose, but I tend to enjoy my teams successes, even when they dont win the super bowl. Anyway, my point was that Pennington playing through injury was the only reason that the 2004 season was as enjoyable as it was. And you can bring out the tired 'wheres the trophy' thing, but bottom line, ill take 2004 over 2005 any day. 2005, of course, being the direct result of Pennington playing through injury for his teams sake, and then coming back too fast. Oh well, in hindsight youd like for Herm to have had some patience, but he didnt. So here we are. Is his record fantastic? No, but when hes been healthy, Pennington has been a great quarterback. I agree with the full season thing, if he cant play a full season then there comes a point where you just have to find somebody else(if he misses one game with a knee thing or somethin like that, i could care less, but hes gotta prove the shoulder is behind him). But the point is that if the injuries had never happened, Pennington would still be seen as one of the AFCs best quarterbacks, so if he can get past the injuries, itd be retarded to ship him out of town just because some fans have soured on him.
I think if he shows the leadership skills we know he has, manages the games well, and stays healthy, he'll put up decent numbers. The long term future might not be with Chad, but if this program develops well, I see no reason why he can't be our QB for a couple of more seasons
The league isn't very good and the Jets have a very easy schedule. If we aren't in the playoff hunt with a healthy Pennington than Pennington isn't the long term answer. If Pennington wasn't hurt there is no way any one would expect the Jets to be a 6 to 8 win team. If a healthy Pennington can't win 9 or 10 than we probably should evaluate Clemens before giving Pennington another big pay out.
Yeah hopefully he can be somewhere in the middle of that or better. Too much Chad hating on this site and this thread. People like me aren't really Chad homers, we just want him to succeed. People are acting like they want him to fail and stick Clemens in there by Week 8.
I don't really agree that this is an easy schedule. I haven't looked at it lately, but when it came out I evaluated 5 games as 'unwinnable' (not that shocks don't happen) and 11 as 'winnable'. This team is not going to be able to win every game that is 'winnable', to go 8-3 in those games for 8-8 overall would be a great achievement in my eyes. Throw in one shock win where nobody calls it and we're 9-7. That is the pinnacle of realistic ambitions for me this term. If we exceed it, I'll be delighted.
I don't disagree with you, my point is if Pennington is really an elite QB we have a playoff team if he's not we don't. There is hardly an NFL team with an elite QB that isn't a playoff team. If you have an elite QB there aren't 5 teams in the NFL that are good enough to be considered unwinable.
Possibly so, but no matter how good the QB is you'll still have struggles with new schemes, new linemen - especially rookies, no established running back, big question marks over the tight end position and no real #1 receiver. 'Unwinnable' is my personal assessment though, I would hope the team sees every game as a potential win.
I respectfully disagree with this Winston. We have new offensive and defensive playbooks, no RB, an inexperienced O-line, no real NT, etc., etc., etc. This is going to take some time IMO....
I remember when the Jets had an elite QB and the league in general was far tougher. While we weren't a dominating team, there wasn't a team we played that our elite QB didn't give us a solid chance to win. With an elite QB, there shouldn't be a single game on the schedule were you don't have a great shot to win. My point is Pennington really isn't an elite QB, he is a very good game manager and with that type of QB you are absolutely right.
My mistake. Still a joke considering he has had 2 arm/shoulder surgeries, plus his wrist, etc. Yeah. He over threw one receiver in the preseason, and that is basically all we saw. Still not at all confident in his arm after the 1st surgery let alone the 2nd. We'll see. I can't say I'm confident, at all. Agreed.
I never said that I don't think he should be starting... for this season. Obviously, Tannenbaum and Mangini can't fix the entire team. My point to NYJ2K06 was the fact that he is happy that he is signed past this year. I said excluding 2002. Since 2002, his TD-INT ratio has been 31-24, with an 85.5 QB rating. Mediocrity. Sure, blame the OL for his wrist... and his scramble vs. Buffalo... and the Jacksonville game...[/quote] He flourished with Coles. Look where that got him last year. I loved him... and then he kept getting injured... and injured... and had a bad performance against Pittsburgh in the playoffs... and then bitched about being asked to take a pay cut at first...
wow! there are other people who can see past the ' he's throwing great in the no-contact scrimmages' stories. unlike bolly or even ramsey, he could be done with the very next hit he takes. even dbrick can't block 3 guys when other teams send the blitz after mr. checkbook.:sad:
