I'll say it again, nothing would make me happier than to see him get beaten out for a roster spot by another pair of a UDFA and and rental veteran.
That's honestly what I think will happen. Even with his reduced contract, he's still the highest paid scrub playing DE by default, who will rotate with DeVito/Pouha/UDFA. I'll be shocked if he makes the final roster cuts...unless he has a very good showing in Pre-Season.
Rex did shout out an honorable mention to Pitoitua during his Sunday press conference as depth. Guess he has seen improvement in his play.
I forgot about him. He looked pretty good in PS last year. I'm sure he'll see the field more this year. We just better hope Gholston doesn't get hurt in TC or PS or we're screwed.
He wasn't active for many games but I'm pretty sure he managed to stay on the roster the entire year. Hopefully he can turn into something useful for the Jets, if only as a backup. That would be fucking terrible. He just needs to stay healthy long enough for the Jets to release him.
How is he going to pull that off when he's playing a position that specifically asks him not to rush the passer?
Shh. Logic has no place in positive predictions of Gholston's performance. It's pure blind optimism on Hobbes' part. It's a beautiful thing to still be able to have that after the first two years. Mine's been gone for a long time.
I like the fact Gholston came to the front office to get his contract restructured. I think the kid obviously knows he isn't performing and rather than getting cut he wants to prove his worth. I'm backing the guy to the hill to perform at DE when he gets the chance. If it doesn't work out he's gone next year so I'm going to give the lad as much support as possible. Would be an unreal turnaround if he turned into a productive DE. Here's hoping....
Which is what I don't understand about people who are rooting for him to fail. So he was a bust for his draft position/desired spot. Big deal. That's spilled milk. At this point, we should all be crossing our fingers and hoping that this is a wake up call and the guy suddenly becomes an amazing defensive end. That makes the Jets better, regardless of what it means for Gholston, his contract, Mangini, or any bust titles. But there are people who would much rather "be right" about a player than care about the football team.
It seems his agent got him a contract that he was not good enough to force the Jets to pay full price for. If he was getting 10 sacks for the last 3 years we would not be having this discussion. but since he sucks the jets cannot justify the added money that they would pay if he is on the field. So the question to me is- Did the agent fail Gholston by not getting him a contract that met his skills and hurt his development because of it? The agent got him paid so if that was his only goal he did that, but I am talking long term.
I think too many people worry about how much money he is making and want to angry about that. personally, I don't give a shit. I'm not paying the bills so I don't care if his expected production does not correlate to his salary, all I care is that he is on the team, clearly has the physical ability to play the game, and want him to contribute positively to the team to whatever extent he can. if he becomes a productive but over paid DE, the team will work that out come his next contract. but the fact is he is on the team today, so let's hope he performs with a change of position. nothing else matters to me.
Go back and look at the Tenn. tape. There were times when he was within arms reach, with two and three guys on him. If he gets a full season at DE where all they ask him to do is wreck the line... he'll have 6 by week 16.
It's not optimism. It's going back an watching what the guy did/was capable of. With Jenkins in the lineup, generally It's going to take all 5 guys to block these three. Asking guards to never make a mistake 25 snaps a game, 16 games out of the year by paying too much attention to Jenkins is pretty low odds. And when you have the C/G/T looking at Jenkins, Gladys, and Taylor...there's going to be some sacks there. the two can push that side right back into the QB
I don't really get rooting against him either. I'd rather have Gholston figure things out in a year where we'll certainly need him for depth rather than not get it, get clipped and have the Jets on the hook for a bunch of money accounting for a player that isn't there anymore. I think a lot of people are just frustrated seeing players they like get cut loose for monetary reasons while this guy makes a fortune with zero results. I identify with those people. But I think it's promising that Gholston approached the FO to do this, not because he feels guilty for lack of production, but because it seems like he is actually trying to take seriously his NFL career instead of collecting a brief NFL paycheck on his way to a career in bodybuilding. Gholston and Clowney went to Haiti together, and are hanging out together, and I don't think that's a coincidence. Rex likes giving players chances, but also with an ultimatum attached. He did it with Rhodes and when Rhodes failed to take him seriously, he was banished to the desert. I think Gholston and Clowney were both sat down and offered a chance at redemption - neither was a huge community service player and neither seemed to really get it at a performance level, and neither seemed truly focused on their football lives - so they were partnered up in the offseason to do as much community work as possible, including a trip to Haiti to help people in dire need, and also to learn what a good life they have and how they are not living up to it. I can appreciate what Rex is doing here, and until proven otherwise, I'm going to support both David Clowney and Vernon Gholston and hope that both of them end up getting it.
This is the only answer to why that makes sense. It's funny how people ascribe thoughts and feelings to players based on little to no knowledge. There has to be a good reason he went through with this, or his agent wouldn't be doing his job.
Still cannot disengage, still cannot close the gap and he cannot change direction to attack a mobile QB. If that was Vince Young instead of Kerry Collins, Gholston would be a lot further than arms reach. Even by your definition of his job, it's not likely to get 6 sacks. 3-4 DEs are supposed to move the Line so the LBs can attack the ball carrier or rush the passer. It's actually detrimental for a 3-4 DE to make consistent attempts to shoot gaps and rush the passer. Get back in the BS forum, Hobbes.
Exactly. This is even more well said. I'm in the same boat, looking around at guys like Faneca and Leon and saying "Was it really necessary to do what they did?" My opinion on whether those moves were good is irrelevant. They didn't really treat those guys "right" yet Vernon is getting yet another second chance. As you said, Rex has given Gholston and Clowney their last shot. I hope that they both take it and run with it. I'm not sure either will, but if they do, they make the Jets better. Who cares about them? They've both already made really good money. More than I've received in the same timeframe. In the end, I don't care what the cost is, I want the Jets to be the best team they can be. Gholston and Clowney improving help accomplish that.
