omg i forgot about how bad Giacomini is ... he can get the boot too.. but if this is the case.. our whole offseason better be spent figuring out what were doing with Mo and everything else should be about the offense and especially the o-line. I left Geno off because he can back up Fitz if Petty isn't ready to step into at least the back up role. But if Petty is looking like he's on to something by end of preseason then u can make your move on releasing Geno.. that's how I would do it.
It doesn't happen often but this could be one of those unique circumstances where they tag Mo then trade him.
I totally agree that fixing the right side of the OL should be among the top priorities if not the #1 priority. The only other things that could replace it would be a franchise-caliber QB and a stud pass-rushing OLB. I don't think there is a QB in the 2016 draft worth trading up for, and maybe not even worth taking with our #1 pick. Not having followed college ball that closely this season, I don't know if there's a topflight OLB pass-rushing prospect or if there's a great LT prospect. I think finding Brick's eventual successor should be the #1 priority IF there's an LT worth of being draft with their first pick. My hope is that Brick will restructure, cutting his cost in half, and there will be a great LT prospect that the Jets can draft, start at RT in 2016 and then move over to LT in 2017. What I don't agree with is possibly trading picks from 2017. That draft could have 2-3 topflight QB prospects. While I have high hopes for Petty, they may be just that. Based on his age and playing history, I don't think we should count on Fitz playing as well in 2016 and 2017 as he has this season. We need to continue looking for that franchise QB. We don't want to be in the position of there being a potential franchise QB there for the taking, but we have no ammo with which to trade up and get him because we used it in 2016 for an LT or RT. IMO it would make more sense to use 2016 picks to move up. IMO the team is still going to need work in 2017. I don't think they're going to be able to fill all their holes/needs in one more off season. We have a huge hole at TE. We may need TWO TEs if Amaro proves to be a bust or can't stay healthy. We need another OLB. We need Davis' replacement and will have to replace Harris sooner rather than later. If Snacks isn't back, we probably need an NT. We need to upgrade the RG and RT positions and improve the depth at C, LT and LG. Hopefully Harrison can develop into at least solid depth at one of the OG positions, if not develop into a quality starter at RG. We need a 3rd RB, who can double as the 3rd down back, PR/KOR. We need a new punter and maybe a kicker. With Devin Smith's injury, we need another WR. Depending upon what Bowles thinks of Milliner, McDougle, and Walls, we may need depth at CB.
Agreed. Ideally Petty is the guy and he can learn from Fitz for a few years before getting a shot. But I agree that the young QB should be the final piece. Put everything in place and then bring the QB in. It's very hard to find a franchise LT but I just think in general the line is something that has to be addressed sooner than later. An entire season can fall apart if your line is terrible. The Jets line is teetering on the edge IMO. The Carpenter signing has been very important for us.
I think that Pace and Colon should be brought back for depth, veteran leadership, and Colon could even possibly start again. If they come back and are beat out, so be it. Giacomini I'd love to see replaced as the starter, and would like to see his cap hit reduced, but he would be better depth than we have at present if something could be worked out. Cumby should definitely be cut so he can reunite with Pokey, wherever he is. Quigley should go. Demario Davis has been a big disappointment on the field. I like him as a person, but won't be sad to see him go. If Bowles thinks they can develop him, teach him to take proper angles and teach him how to tackle, I'm fine if he's back, but if not, I wish him luck. I liked Kerley, and while he is a pretty good slot receiver, he probably makes too much to just be a backup, and he isn't a good enough PR any more, so he should probably go. It wouldn't surprise me to see Milliner, McDougle and Amaro go or stay. Cro should probably go, or at least be cut, and then re-signed to a cheaper deal, but doubt he'd go for that If the Jets think Petty is ready to challenge for the starting position or at least ready to serve as the #2, then they could let Geno go, but if they don't think Petty is ready, then I think they should probably keep Geno since he knows the offense.
Threads like this get complicated when you have to consider things like the contracts for the players, who is currently backing them up, what FA and the draft would look like to replace them. But on a visceral level, cut Smith's ass period. After that I agree with those complaining about Cumberland. He's right after Davis as a disappointment as a starter, but he's only technically a starter since they don't play him hardly. (Which is why I didn't mention him.) And yeah Giacomini is a problem. Cromartie. He's overpaid, but everyone knew in the off season it was a one year arrangement. I would have to wonder if he'd really want to redo that contract, though. He might see what some other team might be willing to pay him. I think someone else will pay him more than a lot of posters here think he's worth.
'17 comment was conditioned.. franchise QB supersedes a LT but if one isn't available and they have depth etc and a LT is available in a package then yes they could look to get a LT in '17. I'd take a shot at a real franchise QB anytime over a LT but never a risky QB pick in a weak QB class (geNo, Sanchez) over a LT that can solidify the line for a decade.
Maybe not 'many' weak links, but still enough to keep the NYJ in their 8-8/9-7 (10-6 at best) place. 1. Damario Davis: there are guys with 'draft combine' skill sets (athleticism, speed) and then there are guys with 'football' skill sets. We know where DD stands. 2. Quigley: a. the following is a post from Cortland by 'cub reporter' yours truly, August 2, 2013 (talk about first impressions....but what did I know?): b. the following is a post from Cortlandt by yours truly the following summer, July 31, 2014 - the more things change: 3. Cromartie: come 2016, he's worth no more than a Magnum Variety Pack. 4. Dbrick: On the downside but (good) LT's don't grow on trees. Who wouldn't want ND's Ronnie Stanley? Unfortunately he's 2016 draft Top 5-10 material. As for someone's suggestion that Brick be put out to pasture at RT, he's never been a road grader in the first place and besides, LT's are more about handling a rush in space (read: need beast + quick feet). While Stanley won't be there when the Jets pick, I could maybe see Joe Haeg out of North Dakota St. as a 3rd round project (good feet, needs to get NFL man strength 'downstairs' in the legs to combat bull rushers). 5. Brian Winters: MacGruff's said that the middle rounds offer good OL value - here's your chance MM. 6. Stevan Ridley: you call him "trash juice?" Disagree. Guy appears to be rounding into form coming off his injury. And at 26 is also younger than RBs Ivory & Powell. I think there's something in that kid's tank if given more of a chance to stick around and continue to heal up.
The only guy I wouldn't miss is Pace, unless someone can convince me the only reason he has so few sacks (2) and tackles (11) is that the opposition is so scared of him they run all their plays to the other side. A few weeks ago, I would have gladly gotten rid of Enunwa, but he seems to be functioning pretty consistently at the moment. For him, that means he catches balls that are catchable. Nevertheless, it shouldn't be too difficult to find a better receiver in the draft than him. I'm not sure what to make of Cumberland. It's hard to judge a player when they rarely call his number. He is supposed to have above average speed for a TE. Something tells me that if he were playing for the Giants where Eli loves to throw to his TE, Cumberland might be a star. The Jets offensive line has allowed the second fewest sacks in the league, so they must be doing something right. Don't understand why people want to replace these guys! Kerley isn't the flashiest PR, however, he is steady and hasn't turned the ball over as yet, if I remember correctly. I'd rather have Kerley returning punts rather than some speed guy where you have to hold your breath whenever the ball descends into their arms. Cromartie's problem is that he plays opposite Revis. Opposition QB's are naturally going to want to throw to the guy he is covering rather than Revis. When you get picked on that much and you aren't Revis, naturally you are going to give up some completions. However, Cromartie is doing a decent job at CB and is above average as a kick returner. He consistently returns to the 20 and better. He is also the guy that takes over when Revis goes down and does a good job. Amaro led all rookie tight ends in receptions last year, and that's with Geno at QB. And includes the guy everyone said was going to be the next phenom TE, Eric Ebron. Amaro needs more time to develop and a good QB to get him the ball. The prime function of a ILB is to plug the gaps on runs. The Jets are #1 in stopping the run, so I don't see what the complaint on Davis is. I remember last year when he ran some RB down from behind and saved a TD, so he's obviously got speed and the tools to do the job. According to NFL stats he is the 39th ranked LB in terms of tackles and assists. Harris is ranked 24th. The list of LBs is six pages long and Davis and Harris are both on the first page, that's not too shabby.
Without a LT your franchise QB gets David Carr syndrome and you have to start over. If you pass up a franchise LT and you don't have one, that QB you took better be the second coming of Johnny Unitas.
The best thing Quigley does is punt the ball out of bounds. I can do that as can most people on this board. There are plenty of college punters that can kick the hell out of the ball, I don't get why this guy is in the NFL let alone the CFL.
