My issue with Smith is that he has shown no semblance of being able to navigate the pocket so if the slightest bit of pressure gets near Geno the OL looks bad. In reality Smith is bailing out of the pocket far too quickly. Once the pocket comes in on him he sprints backwards which you never see a good QB do. I recall him running backwards almost 30 yards (30!) in one of these instances, where he later fumbled, and was lucky to throw it away. The pass protection at OG has been bad (although I think Aboushi looked fine yesterday) but Geno makes it look much worse than it is.
Geno isn't doing the OL any favors, but I don't think his pocket presence is terrible. He's harder to bring down than he seems. It's definitely not a strength of his. He drifts way too far back but he usually then turns the corner just to throw it away.
That one play yesterday where he took the snap from like the 10 yard line and then drifted ALL the way back to the 40 yard line just killed me. Thank god he threw it away I would blown a basket if he was sacked back there. I mean Denver got right in, plowing through the OL like nothing, but really Geno, drifting back 30 yards??
If he doesn't fumble the ball, he probably finds a receiver. Thankfully we got a good bounce for once. I wonder why he does that. I think it's because he trusts his speed too much and thinks he can turn the corner. I think he also wants to find the big play so he tries to say alive longer than he should at times. He rarely just goes down for better or worse. Against GB he turned some bad pockets into some dumpoffs to the RBs for yards. Other times he takes a 15 yard sack in FG range (Oak game).
Geno Smith was good value on the 39. None of the QB's from that draft has made it at this point. Geno had the best shot of them all. He doesn't have much rope left at this point and that's normal in the NFL. A QB doesn't get an endless supply of chances unless his team picked him high in the 1st round. All the excuses for the poor play of the offense are real but they just don't matter. The QB is not supposed to be the guy who isn't the problem most of the time. He's supposed to be the guy who plays well enough that he can cover the other problems most of the time. If the Jets had traded up to take Geno high in the 1st round we'd be stuck with him come hell or high water for the next season or two. As it is he's playing out the string and unless he finds a way to be a good player despite the handicaps the Jets will move on. To give some perspective on where Geno was picked and what it means: 2001 - Quincy Carter 53, Marques Tuiasosopo 59 2002 - None 2003 - None 2004 - None 2005 - None 2006 - Kellen Clemens 49, Tarvaris Jackson 64 2007 - John Beck 40, Drew Stanton 43 2008 - Brian Brohm 56, Chad Henne 57 2009 - Pat White 44 2010 - Jimmy Clausen 48 2012 - Brock Osweiler 57 2013 - Geno Smith 39 That's all the 2nd round QB's outside the top 4 picks of the round from 2001 to Geno's draft.
He blew chunks buddy - it was the wrong yr to go after a QB. I honestly, don't think Geno was good value because of the awful offensive talent we had on the roster, 2013 was the time to try and rebuild the roster, not draft a project QB. The value was as good as a Stephen Hill or Vlad Ducasse - other project picks taken in the 2nd round. He's no different ... Time to start watching more MSU games Br4d - Connor Cook could help this franchise out if we provide the foundation this coming off-season.
But he did fumble the ball. Saying "if he doesn't fumble the ball" something better would've happened is like saying if he makes an accurate throw then he doesn't throw an INT. I agree that the team isn't great around Geno as it is very clear that the offense collapses when Decker isn't on the field. However Geno deserves the majority of the blame because he is making poor decisions all on his own.
The worst part of the season is the 'fans' who drop trow and shit all over their team at the first sign of trouble
This is incorrect though. Geno is probably not good enough to be an NFL starting QB. That's becoming clear. But neither of the two guys you mentioned was good enough to be on an NFL field at all.
It could end up being the same for Geno Smith, we kept Hill and Vlad on the team for about 3 yrs and they didn't show enough improvement. We really don't know yet until we move on from him. Geno is fundamentally flawed, similar to a Stephen Hill (OK not as bad but you get the point about Project players). They are all raw players with lots of potential but that's the only thing they got going for them.
Hill and Vlad were terrible players consistently outmatched on an NFL field. Geno is just not good enough at this point to be a starting QB. The requirements for his position are much higher than the requirements for other positions. You can be a below average guard and still help your team on the field assuming you are not sucking up valuable cap space in the process. You cannot be a below average QB and help your team on the field.
Geno is by no means a good Qb at this point. He never will be in any aspect, if our O-line isn't fixed and fast. 80% of our offensive problems ( the other 20% being Geno's turnovers ), can be blamed on this shit unit. When was the last time we saw our line knuckle down and say "alright, we are driving, 8 runs 1 maybe 2 passes, but we are driving it right down the opponents throat, power drive blockst all the way to pay dirt!" Geno is under major pressure almost every throwing down. Most teams don't even blitz 5, when a down 4, or like Denver used...a down 3 to get pressure. Manning would look like Geno, if he had our line. Brick looked totally lost blocking Ware, and he is our best pass blocker by far. Until we fix it, it doesn't matter if we have Dan Marino, Randy Moss, Joe Montana or Jerry Rice. Geno is some of the problem, the Line is more. Nacho's line was much better than Geno's his first two years here, and his stats looked like shit. Geno hasn't had a fair shot at all. Either surround him or cut him loose.
I wasn't basing a Geno opinion off of that fumble. So yeah it happened, I was saying what I thought would happen and thankful we got a lucky bounce. I don't think Geno deserves the majority of the blame. There really isn't one game this year I can point to Geno and say he's the major reason we lost. In all of the games he's been a problem, but not the major one in my opinion. Which is brutal, because I would rather him just have complete meltdown like Sanchez so we can move on if that's the case
Geno's development as a QB. The fact that he has no one to throw to, no line to protect him, and no running game to take pressure off of him, it's really hard to put all the blame on Geno. If the front office had any brains they would know you can't expect to develop your young QB if his own organization has stacked the deck against him. Even Sanchez had decent passing options in Braylon, Santonio and Keller.
Our FO decision to do squat and then hold a press conference saying that they approve it... Only the friggin JETS man,...
Being hard to bring down is not evidence of pocket presence. Smith has shown limited awareness of his position on the field too often. You may be right that he thinks he can outrun the pass rush, and sometimes, as in that play, he did avoid the sack. But being 30 yards or more behind hte line of scrimmage is almost never going to end up being a positive play for the offense. The worst thing is he is still doing this sort of thing more than 20 games into his NFL career. Hard to get anything positive out of that.
