What has been the Jets' main problem as a franchise?

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  1. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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  2. Dierking

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    Not as predictable as the deeply moving and long winded soliloquy over your only true love. Seriously, you should write a book. I can't imagine there is anything in your life as meaningful to you as the Patriot's success and how your unique insight and understanding of it reflects so highly on you.
     
  3. Hobbes3259

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    Damn...I missed the post on masturbation....?
     
  4. Zach

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    I already gave you the solution.

    Ditch 3-4 for a while.

    Pick up a nose guard (like Jason Ferguson - Cowboys had Jay Ratliff starting for NG already by then, so this COULD have been done, and SHOULD have been done; Ferguson was offloaded to Dolphins consequently.)

    And draft Sedrick Ellis, and hold onto Vilma. Pace was already on board, and while he was marginally effective as a pass rushing DE, he was rather effective as an OLB - so you get to use Pace/Vilma and possibly Harris on the LB corp.

    John Abraham's spot remains vacant, but pass rushing issue is addressed in a way.


    Or... converting to 3-4 is indeed the goal, then picking up some key free agents along DTs (Jason Ferguson, as I mentioned above, and stop-gap DT, or even holding onto DRob for a year or two) while drafting for players that may fit in either scheme (McKelvin argument comes from here) is not a bad option either.

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    But Mangini wouldn't do this.
     
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  5. Catt_County

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    I agree with most of what you've posted, but I think the bolded statement is untrue. The Pats did NOT make the "system" fit Chad Johnson or Albert Haynesworth. In fact, I would say that they generally acquire players who will fit their "system" rather than vice versa. IMO, Johnson and Haynesworth were outliers to that pattern. Moss, OTOH, fit perfectly.

    Actually, you might want to watch some game film from successful teams from the 60-70s. Those offenses looked nothing like the plodding offense the Jets had between 2009 and 2011 since they gave new meaning to the idea of "stretching the field". Schottenheimer did try to adapt his offense to the talent available. The problem was that the talent was so limited, especially in 2011.

    Furthermore, on the issues of inflexibility, your current OC and HC want to turn the clock back to 1985 with their "ground and pound" when the Jets don't the OL or the RBs to be a dominant running team. Gimmick plays with Tim Tebow aren't going to keep that dog hunting for long.
     
  6. TheBlairThomasFumble

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    Yes...........................

     
  7. Hobbes3259

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    Schotty was the master of the long developing pass play.

    In this day and age, with the Polian rule, the ball should be out in 2-3 seconds, (7-10 yards) more often than not.


    Going back to Penningtons tenure, even his intermediate routes, took longer than 3 seconds to develop.

    Which is the point, Back in the day, Wideouts needed time to fight off and break away from CB's

    Now The rules favor exploiting the gap between contact ready area (< 5yards) and down the field (transitioning)...


    Schotty never seemed to catch on...



    Which brings me to my other Irk.

    Ground and Pound is all very well and good, but the time for it is LATE in the game, after you're ahead.

    Hopefully Sparano (and maybe Rex from his advisor) learned that from Parcells.


    You use ground and pound to take the air out of the ball, not to put your team in a hole.
     
  8. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Yes but who hired Shot no other then the inept NYJ organization :sad:
     
  9. papapump

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    It begins with ownership. A younger Leon Hess may have helped in the early years. Woody, in my opinion, has no heart at all. Our Gm's have also been a major problem. Rex needs to seal the deal this year, and keep the locker room in line. Blowing the chance to dump Holmes, without a cap hit, was a major blunder.
     
  10. ace_o_spades

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    When could they have dumped him w/o a cap hit?
     
  11. 17a_tailgater

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    FTW....this is a great post
     
  12. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    They couldn't.
     
  13. Catt_County

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    Exactly. There was absolutely no way that the Jets could get Holmes off the team without taking a huge cap, so he stayed. IIRC, they would also suffer a big hit next season as well if they cut him before next season. The Jets have no leverage to punish him except to bench him if he reprises his temper tantrums from last season, and if they bench him, who do they have to replace him?

    That's why I don't believe that Holmes has "learned" anything from his behavior last season the way that some Jets fans believe. All he's done is give lip-service to team unity. I don't think his opinion of Sanchez has changed, and I think he'll continue to be a problem in the Jets locker room.
     
  14. displacedfan

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    The end is where I disagree. Santonio complaining came about during losses. His complaining did not lead to the losses, they came after. So if the Jets win, the problems wont come about.

    According to reports and players, Tone has been spending free time during practice next to young receivers and helping them out.

    Who knows if he changed, but I think it's too early to call him malcontent or not because he was supposedly great in 10 and supposedly bad in 11.
     
  15. patfanken

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    Those are to bad examples, Catt. If the Pats had a boat load of WRs who were unable to run their complex offense, BB certainly would have changed the system, but Ocho was simply an odd man out, and in true BB fashion, it didn't take long for him to admit the mistake and send him packing.

    Haynesworth was just a shot in the dark. A exceptional talent with a questionable motor (much like Coples :wink:) Again it didn't take BB long to unload him when that motor didn't fire up.

    Where we disagree is about the definition of what the "system" means, because I do agree they have a "system" You think its X's and O's, while I think the system is more about the approach they take to create a winning environment. If you load your team up with former team captains, and "high motor" guys, it makes it a lot easier to a "character risk" like Hernandez and Moss because its hard for them to infect the locker room and more likely they will have to conform.
     
  16. papapump

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    My mistake on dumping Holmes. I had heard that Jets had a ten day period, and I was pissed that they had not taken out the trash. What are our options with this idiot?
     
  17. displacedfan

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    Keep him and use him effectively which schotty forgot how to do. He can run more than a slant. Use hill and schillens to stretch the field, open the underneath routes for tone then hit them with the double move.
     
  18. AbdulSalam

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    Outside of Ewbank and Parcells, the Jets haven's had very good Head Coaches. The team has also been generally plagued by a lack of continuity, discipline, focus and failed execution. Ryan has a chance to turn it around but his do anything and say anything you want philosophy has resulted in a lousy 8-8 season in 2011. It remains to be seen whether he can turn it around in 2012.
     
  19. ace_o_spades

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    Try your best to make it work. That's the only way.
     
  20. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Parcells final season w/the Jets resulted in an 8-8 season.

    Parcells Record w/Jets
    Regular Season: 29-19
    Post Season: 2-1

    Rex Ryan Record w/Jets
    Regular Season: 28-20
    Post Season: 4-2

    Parcells did it with veteran QB's and all-star coaching staff.
    Offensive Coordinator: Charlie Weis
    Defensive Coordinator: Bill Belichick
    ther Notable Asst.: Romeo Crennel (Defensive Line), Al Groh (Linebackers), Todd Haley (Offensive Assistant/Quality Control) and Eric Mangini (Defensive Assistant/Quality Control)

    Rex is right there with the best coaches the Jets have ever had. They had one down year and from all reports he's doing everything he can do identify and correct the issues from last year.
     

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