What are Rex's faults?

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  1. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Since he has not excelled any more then any of our former HCs including BP he deserves the same conclusion that came to all of them. What do U say about the situation? :sad:
     
  2. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    I think U R way, way over estimating the Brick guy but hey if you feel he is super good then go on believing that. :sad:
     
  3. CurbYourEnthusiasm

    CurbYourEnthusiasm Well-Known Member

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    What is this Brick guy you're referring too? Are you referring to D'brick? He's a top 5 LT in the NFL.
     
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    CurbYourEnthusiasm Well-Known Member

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    Because they have BETTER QB play, and better offensive weapons. Its quite simple. Who on that '09 team was nearly as good as Gore, Davis, or Crabtree. Hell our best off weapons that year were Cotchery and Thomas Jones.

    Smith has a QB rating this year over 90. Sanchez's that year was in the mid 50's. The comparison isn't even remotely close.

    I agree the Jets win 11-12+ games with a better QB, but they needed to play Sanchez (the alternative that year was Kellen Clemens). We had no viable QB on the roster.
     
  5. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    If he was he would be a #1 all pro selection every year which he is never been. ZHe is now a 5 or 6 year man & you think if he would be super star material he would be already be there. He just another plain old average grunt that plays OL in the NFL. :sad:
     
  6. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Better QB play? It is the same damn QB!!! Thing is he is coached better now.
    A new and improved coaching staff is the biggest reason BY FAR as to why SF is good this year. Underachieving teams (10 49ers, 08 Jets) have a great tendency to achieve when a change is made at head coach.


    I can only post from a phone these days. I do not have time for long posts, but this is nothing new from me. Look at my posts during the 2009 season. I felt the 09 Jets should have won more often than they did.
     
  7. patfanken

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    While I think the Pats roster is a bit better than you do, I don't disagree with your general point. The fact is that at THIS level, ALL the players are very good, and ALL the coaches know what they are doing. That's a given. IMHO what truly separates the Bellichick's from the also ran's is (1) attention to detail (2) consistency in your message (3) getting everyone to buy into the program

    The "Patriot way" works, but so does the "Steeler Way" and The Packer way" among other consistentlly winnning programs They all do things differently except in that they all seem to speak with one voice and focus is on the TEAM. That isn't happening to the Jets

    I'm not entirely negative about Rex, because early on, what he did for the Jets was necessary for the Jets to change their SOJ culture and make themselves relevant both in NYC and nationally. Mission accomplished.

    But clearly the Jets aren't a "smart" football team and that is on the coaches. Clearly there is a "cult of personality" (Rex), when the focus should be on the team. And its anyone's guess about where exactly the buck stops in the Jets football operation. There are a lot of voices speaking for the team

    The the talent gap in the NFL is SOOOOOO small, that ultimately its the small details that often determine wins and losses. Since the talent is, in large part, pretty equal, one of the beautiful aspects of the game is the impact coaching makes

    Now just image the carnage if the Jets had to replace Hunter with Ducasse due to injury. Then Just before the start of the game Fergeson goes down. So you Move Slauson to LT and then put in the next guy who ever that is, at LG. Then after the first series Slauson goes down too. Now you have move Ducasse to LT and fill his spot with a rookie who has only been with the team half a year. Then have THAT OL gell to the point where you generate over 300 yds and 27 points of offense in one half. All the time going against one of the better defenses in the league...at this point.

    Well that's what happened to the Pats Saturday at the same time the Jets were imploding. But what shows the differences between the 2 teams, was after the game when BB was asked about the amazing job under trying circumstances the OL had accomplished; BB merely dismissed it. To him it was nothing special. Just the next guy stepping up to do their job. Just the coaches, coaching them up. It was what they were supposed to do. It was expected. And one of the reasons it worked was that everyone on the team had those same expectations. they had bought in.
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    Its one of the reasons the Pats have won 7 games in a row with James Iheadabu as their best S. Think about that when you complain about Brodney Poole. Plus the other S (Sergio Brown) should NEVER be on the field except for STs, and the back ups are both WRs. Horrifying to me, but nothing more than business as usual for the Pats. They actually believe they can win with those guys....and shockingly they have.

    Rex wants it to be all about him. That has to change. The success in dependant on the small details, not the bombast and bravado. And character matters, and when mistakes are made, you admit them and move on like the Pats did with Moss, Merriweather and Haynesworth. You don't lock them in with contracts, like the Jets did with Holmes.

    BTW- off the top of my head, Gronk, Hernandez, Waters, Solder and Ninkovich are all better than their counterparts on the Jets :wink:
     
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  8. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    and thats really just a long winded way of saying the Patriots have better depth and better coaching than the Jets.
     
  9. CJLang

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    Accountability. You won't see a mass attack of either the OC or DC in New England. Belichik has put it out there publicly, the buck stops with him.

    Every play call on either side of the ball he gets final say. So if O'Brien calls a stupid play, Belichik takes responsibility because he could have vetoed it and didn't.

    We'll see how Rex plays it when Shotty gets tossed under the bus after the season and gets fired.
     
  10. Endlessly Counting

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    I am definitely seeing things more your way than ever before ( i.e., the measure of success is a VLT, nothing short of that.

    However, the culture of the Jets before this season, after "success" of the past two seasons would have excused a step back. There are no passes this year, and an 8-8 or 9-7 team is being looked at as a failure, AS IT SHOULD! That is because of Rex.

    I think he is a good coach. Too often, a Jets coach is not allowed to work out his kinks. I think Rex stays. IMHO, of all available coaches, the one guy who would be committed to the Jets and could win right away is Rex. Now, if Sean Payton or Jim Harbaugh was available...that's a different story:), but that's not happening.

    Besides, a change at OC is warranted. That would not be as disruptive as changing the HC, while potentially having as big a positive effect.

    As for FO, that Tanenbaum has a lot of work to do. Sanchez is an OC problem. The O-line, inability to cover TE's, allowing speedy backs to get outside, that is a talent problem
     
  11. Endlessly Counting

    Endlessly Counting Well-Known Member

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    Better depth and a QB who is an all-time great, especially when it comes to things like quick release, decisiveness, making big third down plays
     
  12. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Well always glad to have more compatriots that see the only way to see sports since sports is plain & simple black & white :grin:

    Well after watching the last 3 years of RR I have had to say that RR cannot compare with Belly brain power wise. So as long as Belly stays in the AFCE we have to find that coach that can match RR in wits otherwise we will continue to just be also ran's:sad:

    RR decision to keep Wayne Hunter & make him a starter that shows he lacks evaluation skills which is a major skill listed as a skill required by HCs :sad:
     
  13. Endlessly Counting

    Endlessly Counting Well-Known Member

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    I thought Rex psyched out and out coached Belicheck in play-offs last year

    I do not like Hunter this year, but I don't kill Rex for it, because (1) Hunter wasn't bad in 2010 and (2) Turner was hurt
     
  14. BleedJetsGreen1981

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    Rex Ryan has brought a lot to the Jets, given them an identity and helped bring some luster back to the franchise.

    But, he doesn't really run the team. He is almost like a glorified defensive coach. He was quoted as saying following the loss to the Giants, "We were never going to win passing the ball 60 times".

    Then why didn't he do something about it. Step in like a Head Coach and veto all those passing plays.
     
  15. PatsFanTX

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    Not sure he psyched out BB last year, but he did put together a hell of a defensive game plan to take away the Pats offensive strengths.

    However, he tried the same thing this year and the Pats were able to make the necessary adjustments to move the football.

    Rex's advantage is catching teams by surprise forcing them to make in-game adjustments.
     
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    This is a fantastic post and is 100% on the money. Could not agree more
     
  17. patfanken

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    Pretty much, Are you looking for a job as my editor?:wink: BTW I am long winded, but its because I try not to state opinions without giving information to back it up, or at least defend it. Sorry
     
  18. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    The buck stops with BB because he has publicly taken the control away from both coordinators over the years, and legions of Patriot fanboys are afraid of angering the god of the AFC East Championship.

    Rex empowers his coaches, and that might be a mistake, but it takes a ton more character to do that than it does to rape your own coaches of responsibility.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    This thread is not about the roster, so your entire post is irrelevant
     
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  20. fenwyr

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    Does Rex need to call Schotty out? Yes.

    Did Rex hire Schotty? No. Honestly think about why he hasn't. For more than like a second please.

    Schotty should have gone out with the Mangina bathwater. Not a one of us has any idea what is going on behind the scenes on this one. It's relatively obvious that Schotty is wearing a bulletproof vest though.
     

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