WFH Endorsement?! Callahan Thrown under bus?

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  1. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    We all know Buffalo is out of it.
     
  2. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Then how did reggie Bush have, by far, his best season in the NFL?
     
  3. 3lixer.

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    Wayne Hunter will win NFL MVP in 2012. You heard it here first!:jets:
     
  4. Biggs

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    Reminds me of the off season press confrence before 05 when Herm and Bradway were blowing Adrian Jones.
     
  5. tzinc

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    Jets have 3 Pro Bowl O-Linemen on the team
     
  6. EastVillager

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    Because he stayed healthy and had, by far, the most number of touches in his career.

    That's the chief thing, the touches. It wasn't like he was better. He had more YPC in 2009, as many touchdowns rushing (6) in 2006, with far fewer carries.

    If you combine Bush's 2009 and 2010 -- his last two years in New Orleans -- he had about half the number of carries he had in Miami in 2011, and his stat line looks like this:

    106 carries, 540 yards, 5.1 YPC w/5 TDs.

    That's basically the exact same YPC as his year in Miami only with twice the touchdown production per carry.

    Reggie Bush was the same player in Miami he was in New Orleans, only he couldn't score as many touchdowns. It was only his best year because he stayed healthy and was used more.

    And anyway, the season Reggie Bush had is not some definitive statement on the ability and production of the Dolphins line as a whole. That team invested in power players who couldn't pass block and got some average run production out of them but absolutely no pass protection. The worst in the league, according to Jon Gruden.

    Is that the kind of offensive line you want for this team?
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    For reggie in NO more carries he got the less productive he became as he wore down yet in Miami w/ this bad OL he had his career high in carries and his 2nd highest YPC(highest in a full season)

    His YPC was higher in 2009 but he only had 70 attempts. He had never averaged more than 4 YPC in a season he had 100 or more carries in and he averaged FIVE YPC on 216 carries last year.

    You can't combine seasons, he didn't have the wear and tear on his body in those seasons w/ so few carries.

    The Dolphins OL overall was not great but it wasn't awful either like it is being portrayed. Ricky & Ronnie were very productive 2 of 3 years under Tony, Bush was very productive last year. That doesn't happen w/ awful OLs and as far as pass blocking, that can be as much on the QB as the OL as far as decision making, reads, etc...
     
  8. Barcs

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    This times 10000. It's like they spend their whole day looking for ways to manipulate the positive things coming out of training camp into negatives. Wayne Hunter had a slightly better season than Ferguson, but nobody's making posts about Ferguson every few days. I know Hunter struggled last season, but he also had some very good games. They were just overshadowed by by the bad ones. Why is everyone so distrusting of our coaches? I think they know just A LITTLE BIT more about football than you guys do. Wayne Hunter could be great in this new system, and there's definitely a reason they didn't draft a tackle this year. Yeah, I trust the actual football experts over a bunch of alarmist fans anyday.
     
  9. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Probably because Ferguson has a track record of being one of the better pass blocking tackles in the league and the only track record Hunter had prior to last years shit was as a serviceable backup. That was his 9th season in the league by the way.

    We've heard the coaches heap praises on gems like Vernon Gholston too. If you want to believe everything they tell us, be my guest, but the "alarmist" fans who didn't want to go into last season with WFH as the starting RT were a lot more right than the FO who figured he'd be just fine.
     
  10. Big Blocker

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    I still don't get where this whole "Hunter will thrive in a new system!" comes from. Did the people saying this warn last off season how he was going to have trouble in THAT system?

    Have they identified specifically how it was THE SYSTEM that made him so bad last year? I have not seen this anywhere.

    Sounds like nothing more than wishful thinking plain and simple to me.
     
  11. DoubleA

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    Wait n' see approach applies here, bro.
     
  12. Barcs

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    No, people are just saying you can't jump to conclusions about everything that ever happens. Praise for him coming out of camp SHOULD be a good thing. Afterall, we aren't hearing praises for Vlad, or Holmes or plenty of other players. They chose to rep Hunter, despite the negative impression of him. The fact that they chose to do this should mean something, and I doubt it's just to appease the fans. I mean, do you really think they'd say that if the guy was a turnstile in training camp?
     
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    If you look at Reggie Bush's game logs from his time in New Orleans there's nothing to corroborate the notion that he "wore down" as the season went on. In fact, it generally seems that his YPC increased the farther he got into a season (which definitely holds true in 2011, if you care to look at it).

    The difference in Miami, as I said, is that Bush was used more throughout and stayed healthy. Neither of those two factors have anything to do with the Dolphins' OL.

    Now, as for the rest of Sparano/DeGuegliemo's time in Miami... as I said, they were -- besides the Wildcat -- a very average running team. I forget the exact numbers I remember watching one of their games and they were at less than 4 yards per carry when they weren't in the Wildcat, hence why they slipped to like 31st in the league in YPC in 2009, when the Wildcat was shut down.

    They showed improvement in 2011, absolutely. But at the cost of anything resembling pass protection, and with proudly trotting out guys like Marc Colombo with the same kinds of endorsements they're now giving WFH.
     
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    You're right, Ireland is inept as is Sparano and the regimes of the last 12 years. Thats no secret. But it doen't change the fact that the supposed OL guru Sparano couldn't fix the OL in 4 years. Again, you think you had problems last year, wait and see what happens.
     
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    Do you not see the difference in how he was used in NO in comparison to Miami?
     
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    Do you remember the hype for Hunter last off season? I do. And then he sucked.

    Until proven otherwise, I expect him to suck again. If doesn't, that's f'ing great, but don't count on it. I sure don't.
     
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    maybe because by now the credibility of the jets staff is zero.

    - gholston has turned the corner, had at least x sacks in preseason
    - plaxico this and that
    - sanchez is a totally different QB in his 3rd season
    - hunter is a stud

    Nothing wrong with being positive about your players, but that is not what the coaching staff at jets are doing
    but then again, i am not sure they care that much what i think about their credibility
     
  18. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Yeah, he didn't wear down late in games. NO didn't trust him b/c he was only effective for so many carries a game.

    Let's also not forget he "turned it on" after the awful start and the season was over so they were playing loose and w/ no pressure to lose. Reggie Bush is not a feature back and Miami knows this which is why they drafted another RB. Bush will be really effective as a part time player- Miami is doing a good job of recognizing this.
     
  19. Barcs

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    Yep. He had a great playoff run with us. But he did have some very good games last season. It wasn't like he sucked all season long. He needs to be more consistent, bottom line. Maybe we'll get that this year with an easier system. We'll have to see.
     
  20. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I'm just curious what games you think he was "very good" in?
     

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