i trying to kill a fire before the tards get on it quickly. You make fine points, but i'm more worried about the idiots that jump on what should be a discussion and make it a roast. blame the others.
Mike Westhoff is one of the best ST coaches in NFL history. EOS. He has no other ambitions. He's not looking to become a HC or OC...ST is his life and that's what he does. We've always had good ST on the Jets since the mid-1970's......Larry Pasquale used to do a good job, too.....Westhoff has been great since the 'Fins canned him for no good reason. The Jets should have stopped Ginn both times. The first time, they made some mistakes but still should have contained him to a 20-40 yard return. The 2nd kick was ridiculous -- you had tacklers run right past Ginn and guys overrun. Westhoff did everything he could do on both kickoffs to give the Jets an opportunity to stop Ginn except give them his cane to whack the guy. I disagree about squibbing the 2nd kick.....Ginn isn't Devin Hester....he should have been stopped on both KO's....he didn't go berserk on MNF....this is on the ST guys who missed easy tackles. Westhoff was SEETHING at the end of the game. He expects ST to be a net-positive in the game, and is PO'd if they are a negative. To be single-handedly responsible for losing the game -- outside of kickers making FG's, which is strictly on the holder/kicker and always a 50-50 thing when looking at long FG's -- has to have him major upset. He normally talks to the press right after the game and ESPN-1050 said he was so upset he told the Jets PR guy he'd talk later in the week. I would NOT want to be a Jets ST player this week.
we can't blame an old guy with a cane, that's just flat out mean. Blame it on the fat one and the young one with half a brain
all relevant questions..... The first kickoff return for a TD was excuseable....but the 2nd one.....no dice. I'm not ready to completely roast Westhoff .....but if this happens again....his coaching needs to be scrutinized. I expected to see some demotions from the ST unit this morning.
it is kickoff coverage it isn't something that takes tons of coaching to do correctly. if the players stay in the lanes they were coached to stay in ginn doesn't break any td's. the 11 guys on the kick coverage team take the blame for yesterday's loss. everyone else played well enough to win.
if you watch the recap on NFL Gameday you see Westhoff on the sidelines after the 1st KO return with a chart and everything stressing his players to flood the middle and then he stressed outside containment for like 3 players. they blew it. he addressed it and they blew it.
The first kick feely shot a line drive to Ginn that didn't give the coverage team time to get down the field before Ginn got a full head of steam. The second time we had guys diving at Ginn's feet like a kid playing madden who kept changing guys and hitting the dive button. Both looked like different execution errors that had nothing to do with coaching. It's easy to jump to that conclusion after seeing those errors and knowing that Westhoff has always had great kick off coverage teams. This year included. If this becomes a recurring theme we should start looking at Westhoff, but not until then IMO.
Watch Westhoff's presser, than tell me he should be fired/ get heat/ take blame....... This guy should prolly be coaching the team!!!! Those TD'S are on the player's not on Westhofff, he had a plan, they didn't execute.........
Clearly Westhoff has some accountability for what went on in those two returns. He's the coach of the unit and he should be held accountable when his unit does not perform satisfactorily. He is missing some players due to injury and trades and that has to factor in also. My guess is that he uses the bye to figure out exactly what went wrong and he makes sure it doesn't happen again. I have the same level of respect for Westhoff that I had for Charlie Weis and Bill Belichik when they were coordinators here. He's one of the best at what he does and you usually only notice his units when they are doing great things. The last thing I'm worried about at this point is that the Jet special teams are going to become a drag on the team. Westhoff won't let that happen.
That's the thing....THEY DID EXECUTE !!! You had 3 guys on the 1st TD run in a position to stop Ginn....on the 2nd TD you had at least 6 guys with a shot at Ginn, maybe 7. 2 guys MISSED tackles on him...what was MW supposed to do, give them a diagram of how to tackle a guy ??? Anybody who blames MW is nuts...we've been in the Top Quarter of ST for the last 8-10 years. This was on 3-4 individuals -- and a few repeaters.
What could he have done ? His ST unit is always great and for some strange reason they decided to miss a shitload of tackles on that lil whorebag. They will come back strong.
We should blame Westhoff for everything so our boy wonder Danny Woodhead doesn't lose confidence in his all pro measurables
there were some sweet miami blocks. watch the replay...on the 1st return there's a miami blocker who stuffs 3 guys at the same time!
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast Westhoff has no regrets over kicking to Ginn November 2, 2009 7:07 PM Posted by ESPN.com's Tim Graham New York Jets special teams guru Mike Westhoff called it the worst game of his 27-year NFL coaching career. Miami Dolphins return man Ted Ginn took back-to-back kickoffs the length of the field for touchdowns in Sunday's wild, 30-25 victory over the Jets at the Meadowlands. Westhoff offered no apologies Monday, when he met with reporters to explain what happened and insisted he didn't consider kicking away from Ginn after the first touchdown. "No, absolutely not," Westhoff said. "We go into the game, we're one of the top three coverage teams in the NFL, and we have the second-best starting field position in the league. Absolutely not. We knew exactly what they were going to do." He explained the first kickoff was so returnable because the ball hooked away from the coverage. The Jets couldn't set the edge, allowing Ginn to burst up the right sideline almost untouched for 100 yards. Westhoff said he didn't regret kicking to Ginn again. The second touchdown went 101 yards but with Ginn coming to a dead stop at the 15-yard line and juking his way around two missed tackles before hitting the sideline. Westhoff still ordered Jay Feely to kick to Ginn two more times after that. Ginn finished with 299 kickoff return yards, second most in an NFL game. Teams usually wise up before the total gets so gaudy. "I'm probably the guy who would pitch to Barry Bonds," Westhoff said. "So take it how you want." Miami Dolphins, New York Jets, Ted Ginn, Mike Westhoff, Jay Feely, Dolphins-Jets 110109 Read comments or leave a comment
WHEN Jay Feeley is one of your leading tacklers on special teams something is wrong------------he had 2 tackles yesterday and special teams were beyond bad. I would never have let Ginn beat us a second time NEVER! They should have squibbed it was a no brainer I said it 2 the guy behind me at the time,,too bad Rex did'nt say it to Westhoff! ps I would never had kicked it to Ginn a second time--we did it a 3rd!!!
jay feely made both of those tackles inside the 30 its not like he was saving touchdowns. they kicked to him a third and a fourth time and stopped him both of those times because the coverage team did it's job.
Blame Westoff if it makes you feel good. But Schotty's play calling inside the 15 was abysmal and directly contravened what Rex said we were supposed to be doing which was to simplify the game for the Rook. Schotty put the entire game on his Rook QB and that was A) Stupid and B) Directly against what Coach Ryan has stated he wanted to do.
