And kick out a future SB winner [because he is too green] only to see him replaced with a Moron of the Year winner. See a pattern there? I think I do.
I'm praying the MacCagnan has a plan and makes Bowles play McCown the first 4 games to set up Hack taking over for the last 3qtrs of the season. I PRAY Hack shows what he did under O'Brien @ Penn State and gives us the flexibility to pick an O-line stud , LB'er, CB or another offensive play maker to fill some other much needed holes on this roster. This is where my focus is...I'm jumping off the "we need a stud QB in the draft" band wagon and waiting until Hack gives me a reason to wave the white flag. The kid has never taken a professional snap in a meaningful game...to write him off before seeing him play is just plain stupid.
The Offensive line ranked just about at that position in the 2016-17 per pro football focus and they played better later in the season .. given they will have more experience and chemistry together .. I think it's a fair evaluation. I think lots of peeps are underestimating our O-line.
I'm with you! I'm ok with Hack coming in around week 4 if that still gives him an opportunity to succeed. I would rather have Petty start the season though .. playing McCown to me .. offers this team absolutely nothing squared! I can't believe posters actually want this guy to start .. it seriously baffles me.
It depends on what scheme they are using up front. They switched to a zone scheme last year after essentially being a man-gap scheme for most of the team's history. Of course there were going to be growing pains.It'll be no different if they switch back again WCO can go either way w. blocking schemes. Since the basic principles emphasize timing & quick throws the OL's primary responsibility is to initiate contact & anchor. Both schemes have benefits as well as draw backs to accomplishing that feat. To my knowledge the press has not asked Morton what he plans to do up front;And I wouldn't expect them to..but it bares watching. I'm an OL guy through & through. That said..over the last few years I have humbled myself enough to accept the fact that OL is primarily feast or famine in today's NFL. Team's dont run the ball nearly as much & the pre-snap read/quick pass aspect has taken away alot of the demands in pass pro;Primarily supplemental blocks or in another words recovery. Unless you are absolutely stacked w. 2 way blue chippers like Dallas..or the cupboard is completely bare, the position isn't nearly as impactful as many on here believe.The OL is the least of my concerns on O
Jets fans who are praying to tank must be forgetting that whoever the Jets would take at #1 would surely be a bust!
Agreed and your also correct concerning Mortons schemes .. it's actually just famine trying to find anything that has even been leaked. IMO due to moves made and current roster, I can see them doing something similar to Sean Paytons WCO, were guards are of higher importance than tackles, due to the high percentage of short passes and the need to effectively block the middle. It also makes the signing of Winters clear. The tandem of Carpenter and Winters was very effective last year and the overall play of the offensive line didn't suffer when Mangold went down as it usually did in the past. Johnson also being a former guard did pretty well last season. -edit I'm rewatching the week 17 game against the Bills and Winters/Johnson/Carpenter played well and had great off the ball push especially on running plays .. just saw a 4th down opportunity were they pushed back the Bills back a nice full yard.
It's nice to see a lot of the fanbase coming around to the "just suck" strategy for the upcoming season. 1-15 baby!!
I totally agree with the first part of your post. Getting the #1 pick would be HUGE for this team in turning things around. If neither Hack nor Petty prove that they're going to be our QB of the future, then the Jets could have their pick of the QBs in next year's draft. If either or both develop and prove to be our FQB this season even though our record is awful, we'd be free to probably trade down a few spots and still take our choice of the best pass-rushing prospect, LT prospect, or a WR prospect. Especially if we trade down, we should be able to get at least two of those three positions addressed in significant fashion, and quite possibly all three. We could trade down in any round, adding additional picks or future picks and could further address the OL and RB position as well. Winning 5-6 games this season would be the absolutely worst thing that could possibly happen to the Jets. The only thing I disagree with is extending Bowles. If it's the only way that he would start Hack or Petty and Woody would still fire him if he and the team doesn't show massive improvement this season in their performance, then OK, but I don't think he is or ever will be the answer at HC. Having him for a longer period of time as HC would be a close second to the worst thing possible that could happen to the Jets imo.
I understand your reservations/questions with Clay's predictions, but I don't think the OL will be as bad as you and others do. If Beachum can return to anywhere near his previous level of play before last year, the OL is going to be a lot better than it was last year unless Wesley Johnson struggles at C or there are a couple of serious injuries again. I agree that our D probably won't allow the most points, but I don't think it will be anywhere near as good as some posters are predicting. The DL is the only really solid unit, and that unit is the least important in a 3-4 alignment. The LB corps is still questionable at best as is the secondary. Even though they are supremely talented, fast, and are leaders, Adams and Maye are likely to struggle some as they adjust to the speed of the game and will make some rookie mistakes. If Claiborne can't stay healthy, coverage by the CB corps could really be bad. If Greene can't somehow create a consistent pass rush, opposing QBs could once again have a field day vs the Jets. The only hopes regarding the CB corps is that Claiborne will stay healthy and play to the level of his potential, the Skrine will step up his play a level or two, and that Burris or Williams or one of the other CBs will also develop quickly and surprise.
We don't often disagree, but we do this time. I'm actually surprised at your response. Yes, it would be great, and perhaps better if either Hack or Petty develop this season and prove to be our franchise QB, but that doesn't negate the value of getting the #1 pick, and saying that having the #1 pick doesn't mean much is just flat out silly. By virtue of having the #1 pick, the Jets would also have the top pick in each round, and would most likely have opportunities to trade down and garner extra picks, and even if they couldn't get a QB, could still finally add that stud pass rusher, and/or add their new LT, and/or add a stud WR, and/or add a stud RB, and/or seriously upgrade their OL. In addition, the two aren't mutually exclusive. Due to Kacy Rodgers' and Bowles incompetence, having a lot of young players, having several key players become injured, and/or still not having a strong pass rush or quality CB corps, Hack or Petty could play very well, and the Jets could still wind up with the #1 pick. IMO that would be ideal. Also, even if Hack or Petty develop and convince the Jets that one will be our QB of the future, that doesn't mean that getting the #1 pick wouldn't be better. Darnold, Allen or one of the QBs in next year's draft could prove to be a much better QB than either Hack or Petty. While there are never any guarantees in life except death and taxes, and there are no guarantees that the Jets will get the #1 pick, or that Darnold or the "right" QB will enter the draft next year, or that the Jets will get him, the Jets stand a much better chance of getting that FQB and/or of greatly improving the team with the #1 or #2 pick than they do if they win 5 or more games and wind up drafting #10.
Yes..the Saints strongly emphasize a strong pocket from the inside out so that Brees can scan the field & step into his throws..a clean windshield if you will. Jahri Evans & Lecharles Bentley were targeted for that very reason.Hard to know if that was solely for Brees or if it was scheme specfic. Perhaps alittle of both. Between those 2 & Armstead...I really admire what they do up front.Of course the Jets are actually pretty good in this area as well...one of the few position groups on the team we can honestly say that about. They just have a bit of a different flavor up to this point. As for Winters/Carpenter. Carpenter definitely is a stout "Clean windshield" type..Winters is a good player but I wouldn't say Stoutness/Anchoring/Balance is his strength. He's more about agility,lateral movement & toughness. He's efficient in pass pro but doesn't always contribute to a clean pocket.
I disagree that winning 10 games would be a better scenario. It seems you have a short memory. That's what happened with Rex. The team won too much too early, which set unrealistic expectations by Woody, the FO, the CS, the fanbase and the media, and with the resulting poorer draft position coupled with incompetent GM and Scouting Dept., the team wasn't able to adequately address their needs. The worst thing that could happen to this team is to overachieve. It's much better to show progress, display their potential, play hard and smart, and young players to develop, but lose 15 or 16 close, hard-fought games. In that scenario, we'd have hope not only because of the young core of players who played well and were developing, but also because we'd have the opportunity to seriously address many of our remaining needs or seriously upgrade the talent level of the team in next year's draft.
