tolbert got hurt with like 10 mins left in the fourth and matthews was on the field until the last drive, i believe ... that was not a big factor
the pats made a majority of those runs against our dime defense ... you could argue the strategy there, but i dont think that situation is really indicative of our effectiveness versus the run
hes not the highest paid ILB, thats pat willis ... but i agree that his play has slipped, but hes a guy that needs the guys up front to do their jobs for him to be at his best people were saying ray lewis was falling off a few years ago, then they got ngata and all of a sudden he looks like a new man once the d line improves their play, i think we'll see much improved performances from d harris
There are a lot of reasons the Jets run defense has been bad. 1. They've faced 3 of the top 10 run offenses and ran out of gas against two of them because the offense played abysmally. They got embarrassed by Ben Jarvus Green Ellis and Darren McFadden, who is one of the top three running backs in the league. These things can happen to you once or twice every couple of years. No top defense is infallible. 2. They lost their best run defender- Bryan Thomas was excellent in pursuit and at getting in the backfield. In his absence they're starting an adequate Jamaal Westerman and a pass rush specialist in Maybin. Maybe Maybin will pick up his pursuit game? 3. Inexperience- Last year they had guys like Shaun Ellis, Trevor Pryce, and Jason Taylor that could contribute in a fashion that allowed them to be most effective. This year, the line rotations are all youth. Outside of Pituita and Devito, you have Wilkerson, Pituita, Ellis, and Dixon, who all have very limited experience. I think this year's unit is far more athletic, but the experience gap has been obvious at times. I think the bye week will be good for these guys, and I look forward to seeing them get better down the stretch. I think they've held the fort until now, and I can't say they're to blame for putting games out of reach. I'm extremely optimistic about how things will go. -X-
Matthews hurt his hand (his thumb I think) in the second quarter. He carried the ball in the second half only after Tolbert pulled his hamstring, which I think was either right before or after the half. According to the play by play Tolbert only carried the ball twice in the second half, later in the fourth, after Matthews came in for him and was ineffective. Total second half yardage for Tolbert was 5 yards. In the first half, however, Tolbert had scored on third down to go up 21-10, which was a big play for SD. Overall he got 58 yards on 11 carries, much more effective than Matthews's 39 on 13. But both SD running backs were banged up for more than half the game, and their both being injured in the second half was no doubt a factor in their inability to score in the second half.
mathews caught a few passes in the second half, including one of the first play of the half ... if his hand injury was that bad that wouldnt have happened ... he was ineffective because of the jets adjustments, not because of a bum thumb (he could, after all, carry the ball in his good hand) and if they put tolbert back in the game with a bad hammy then norv is dumber than most people already think he is their backs may have been a little dinged up (like shonn greene is on a couple plays damn near every game), but hey were ineffective in the second half because they were stopped on early downs, which led to 3rd and longs and 3 and outs/turnovers
Just want to point out that most of the pats success with the run against us can be contributed to us playing a smaller pass rushing line. Marcus Dixon was getting destroyed and Mo Wilk also struggled.I reckon we could of done a lot better if we just played Devito and Phoua for most of the game.We didn't really get added pass rush from Dixon playing so much.
...IIRC Dixon hardly got playing time vs the Patriots. Lately he has been playing more and has been doing a good job.
If that's true then you're describing a coaching deficit. I don't really care if the Pats ran against an assortment of vendors and cheerleaders. The Jets could not stop the run when they needed to and we likely lost the game as a result.
You are being obstinate. Compare Tolbert's numbers in the first and second halves. If you were their coach, and you don't deny Matthews was hurt in the first half, why would you play Matthews so much more in the second half? Tolbert was obviously hurt in the second half. They put Tolbert in in the fourth quarter because Matthews was not being very effective. "little dinged up" - what a homer. If it was the Jets in the same situation you'd probably be saying they were near death.
He got quite a lot of snaps,the strategy was let's stop Brady and so we went with a pass rushing line of Dixon,Wilkerson and Ropatia.But the pats decided to run it instead and we got burned.
tolbert had one good run through a gaping hole in the first half, his numbers were not that impressive and please explain to me where tolbert hurt his hammy ... on the chargers last possession of the half, he had three straight carries from the one, scored on the last one, and proceeded to do his elaborate TD dance in the end zone (but apparently hes too hurt to play) most of tolberts carries in the first half (6 of 9) came in the red zone. outside of the redzone, mathews got more touches ... the chargers didnt get into the red zone in the second half, hence why mathews got more touches you really think too highly of your own opinions
haha, true ... but youve gotta make tough decisions when your playing brady ... we were in a similar situation against dallas, we stopped them and blocked the ensuing punt cant win em all
outside of that 29 yard run Tolbert had only 8 carries for 24 yards in the first half. That's not to say he couldn't have broke another long run or 2 but the defense really tightened up in the second half
I Hate stats they never thell the true story... Very simply the LB's need to get moving, Fill their gaps and make the fucking tackle I can't tell you how many times this year we have completely woofed on a runner/wider receiver FUNDAMENTALS.... Thats whats scary
I am not a big fan of taking out big runs for stats purposes. Barry Sanders for all is glory got stopped behind the line or for less than 4 yards a significant portion of the time. However nobody would argue how great his numbers were. My point is aside from Curtis Martin who religiously churned out 3-4 yards each carry an rb can be stopped for no gain twice and then break a fifteen yarder. Their avg is still 5. Where I am getting at is the achiles heel if the Jets D is stopping the run right now. The biggest problem is not setting the edge. Also the end of the Pats game was a pick your poison situation. Historical ally the Pats were a crappy running team. Lol at not gambling the way the coaches did. Sometimes the histrionics on this is board are fucking ridiculous.
IS Banta Cain out there? Why not bring him in to replace some of BT's snaps. Damn anything right now would be better the Westermen or Maybin vs. the run
