Welcome to the Jets Nathan Shepherd (3rd Rd Pick)

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  1. LF911SC

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    It's the other way around. He can blitz and leave the corners playing man. I do think with Truman and Claiborne we may get back to the blitz. Even his first year with a decent Revis and Cro he blitzed more than 50% of the time.
     
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    NC. You might be right on. Can't say I know much about Gettleman, but if I listen to the media most are going literally Gaga over His draft.
    I personally think he screwed up by not taking a QB but what do I know. Seem to me the consensus was that after the second round there wasn't much separation for OL and a few teams were fishing with undrafted talent.
    I might be a homer when it comes to Mac but if he hits with Sam and may be a couple of the the other he should be given major kudos.
    I have to tell you, I have never been more anxious about training camp and pre-season than this year. I feel it might be the beginning of a new era. On the darker side if Petty flourishes elsewhere and Sam does not with us I want the whole coaching staff fired.
     
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    Why not Brown? But if you don't like him, how about Mason Cole (C), Will Richardson (OT), or Josh Sweat (DE)?
     
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    Is that how low we have sunk that a player is not Mo, Coples and Gholston. Tiny miracles are what we are looking for in prospects. Many experts? Are these guy's current scouts and GM's or former scouts and GM's who lost their jobs because of their judgments. I've seen it cut both ways. Guys that these so-called pundits said were slam-dunk future superstars flop big time. Or the guy that makes it wasn't even on their radar. It's a tough league and the step up in talent destroys alot of guy's. He needs a ton of coaching and do the Jets have that amount of time and effort for a 3rd round guy that is older than most?[/QUOTE]

    Boozer. Not sure why you think this guy does not deserve a chance. Richardson, Mo, Coples, Gholston.....all high picks, all ready now, all from arguably big schools that could come in and be plug and play. And they are all freaking gone. Gone with very little contributions but a great investment. Yet Snacks, and undrafted guy, was "so called" coached well enough to make a significant difference for us and as a reward we let him go to keep first round dead wood. He had a motor and heart and you don't need nor can you coach that.
    You are right though, it cuts both ways, and the league is tough enough to weed out a first rounder as easy as a third rounder from a small school. Particularly when they don't have the commitment to succeed.
    I subscribe to finding jewels in every round from every school, and want to give him the benefit of a doubt.
     
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    Sam Hubbard- fills more important need and was considered a early 2nd round talent, also he isn't 25 years old
     
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    Town showed up to the combine ridiculously out of shape and had a historically bad combine. If he didn't care enough given what was on the line, don't want him.

    My point with the others, I was watching Sweat, was are they good enough to complain that someone was taken over them? Plus I think they were looking at certain type players. Richardson had a DUI and a weed arrest. Sweat has a bum knee.
     
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    How many of them have had a chance ?
     
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    My point isn't that Shepherd isn't worthy of a 3rd round pick, nor am I rooting against him. But the continued seeming bias Macc has for drafting "D" over "O", and seeming to ignore the fact that we don't - and haven't had in his tenure - a legit pass rusher. Maybe he has a plan to cover these holes but it's not evident to me. That said, I admit I'm not an expert, just a long time fan hoping they get to another SB in my lifetime (what's left of it).

    As for Brown, I agree his lack of readiness for the combine was a red flag, but he's got immense talent that he has shown, and at that pick was worth it IMO.
     
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    I would think that if you look at all his picks it's not as D weighted as we think. 1st round yes, 3 D players to 1 QB. Again, I don't see where anyone has come up with a late round pass rusher. I would love to know how many edge or pass rush lineman have come in the later rounds for the entire league.

    I hear you with a Brown but they just gutted a team of underachieving player who were happy to go through the motions. I think they're looking more at hard working types and Brown really doesn't fit that
     
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    Someone posted recently Macc's draft picks by "D" and "O" and it showed a clear bias towards "D". Now I'll grant that Macc might have a long term vision that he's building towards - say 5 years - and if we were to see that maybe it would be more balanced, and maybe too this is just the result of letting the draft come to him, which is usually a sound strategy, but my concern is that while he takes the "slow and steady" approach, by the time he gets to even things out, some of hs earlier acquisitions will age out or be injured/impaired. TBH, I'm just impatient.
     
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    Read an interview with him and his thoughts on drafting. His philosophy is to draft the best available player and to target specific positions through free agencies.

    Don't know who posted Macc's draft picks and found a clear bias towards defense. That would be wrong. He's drafted 29 players. 14 were O picks. 15 were D picks. Nothing clear or biased in any way. Again the majority of his 1st, 3 of 4 were D.
     
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    Yeah, the bias isn't in the numbers, it's in the draft position.

    Again, Macc's drafting approach might well be the most prudent, and while I haven't studied other teams' drafts my sense is that certain GMs just seem to be better, and don't seem to just rely on BPA.
     
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    Brown obviously has some motivation issues since he was so out of shape and had such a horrible showing at the Combine, but he has talent and can play. If the right HC/OC/OL Coach get a hold of him, he could be a perennial All Pro. I don't know if he was a scheme fit for us, but if so, then I think he would have been worth rolling the dice on. I wasn't a fan of either Cole or Richardson, and don't think they would amount to any more than what Qvale and Ben Braden have.

    Josh Sweat, OTOH, was a pretty darned good OLB prospect for the Jets. He has speed and some power, just is kind of raw. Greene could have possibly coached him up into a real pass rusher.
     
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    IMO he wasn't a fit for us. He's more of a 4-3 DE. He doesn't have the speed or athleticism to be a very productive pass rusher, especially at his weight. I'd much rather have Shephard.
     
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    One thing to note, Macc seems more willing to trade up for O than D. Darnold, Shell, rumours of Tunsil and Goff.
     
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    Never heard of the first two but the last one on the list is meant to have potential.

    Having the briefest look the wr Neal had a reasonable rookie season, ypc was good lol
     
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    Boozer. Not sure why you think this guy does not deserve a chance. Richardson, Mo, Coples, Gholston.....all high picks, all ready now, all from arguably big schools that could come in and be plug and play. And they are all freaking gone. Gone with very little contributions but a great investment. Yet Snacks, and undrafted guy, was "so called" coached well enough to make a significant difference for us and as a reward we let him go to keep first round dead wood. He had a motor and heart and you don't need nor can you coach that.
    You are right though, it cuts both ways, and the league is tough enough to weed out a first rounder as easy as a third rounder from a small school. Particularly when they don't have the commitment to succeed.
    I subscribe to finding jewels in every round from every school, and want to give him the benefit of a doubt.[/QUOTE]

    I don't know what you mean by saying I'm not giving him a chance. The chance was given the moment he was drafted. I'm just a realist and know what difficulties he will face and the step up in competition he will encounter. Like I've said before its silly season now and every draft choice is HOF bound and this draft alone will send us to the Super Bowl every year. I also believe Bowles will be the biggest hindrance to this guy succeeding. He is not a good coach or teacher and his staff reflects that as well. I believe any player currently on the Jets will benefit more when Bowles is gone.
     
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    Oh, the good old days. An over .500 season. Seems so long ago.
     
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    Sure as shit hope so. Being a legit playoff team would be nice. Not having to worry about the QB would be nice.
     
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