Welcome to the Jets Christian Hackenberg

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  1. alleycat9

    alleycat9 Well-Known Member

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    in reality throws that are a little high or a little behind are what make or break qbs in the nfl. you can get away with that shit in high school and college in the nfl you need to be pretty perfect.

    mark sanchez is a perfect example of this for me. he would complete passes that were wild, they would be on the wrong shoulder or high or low and it severely affected his effectiveness.
     
  2. Ubiquitous

    Ubiquitous Well-Known Member

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    I was making a joke, but it is alarming that Hackenberg is not accurate when throwing in gym shorts with no pressure (see combine) and in this video here. He scares the shit out of me.
     
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  3. Zach

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    Or Sanchez for that matter. [I think Sanchez had better promise than GeNO as well.]
     
  4. Br4d

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    He may have to take something off his throws to get the accuracy where it needs to be. He was a pitcher in high school so his go to is to throw the ball as hard as he can. He may have to learn to adjust the power of his throw to the route and distance. High fastballs to the sidelines are going to be incomplete a lot more often than other passes. You don't give your receiver time to adjust to the throw.

    The odds are pretty good that Hackenberg should be sitting for a couple of years and getting all the throws down.
     
  5. legler82

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    Pinpoint accuracy and ball placement may separate the elite from the good but it is far from being what "makes or breaks QBs in the NFL".
     
  6. NCJetsfan

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    Good point and post. At the very least, he needs to work on touch anyway for screens and needs to learn when he needs to lob or loft the ball, it definitely could help his accuracy. I think it is akin to a golf swing. When one tries to hit the ball as hard as one can, one usually screws up in some form or fashion, and hooks or slices the ball. If one takes a nice, easy, smooth swing, one's accuracy gets a lot better.
     
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  7. Zach

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    When Walsh was scouting Phil Simms, he specifically asked Simms one thing.
    Source: http://www.capitalnewyork.com/artic...y-about-indestructibility-phil-simms?page=all

    So obviously, [throwing with all you've got] is not just limited to Hack; and obviously, this is something you can fix through coaching.
     
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  8. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    What video here?
     
  9. NCJetsfan

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    some guys also:
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    Which is right down Rex's alley.
     
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    That's just because Rex wanted to check out his feet.
     
  12. Ralebird

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    The problem here is that a guy with a job in the NFL should already know this.
     
  13. JStokes

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    Preposterous.

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  14. NCJetsfan

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    That is absurd. That comment reminds me of a now deceased poster on the old NY Times Jets board. He always used to argue that players coming into the NFL already had their fundamentals and techniques down pat. He swore that they all received the same great coaching at the college level, so if they couldn't do things when they got to the NFL it was because they were simply bad and would never be good. It was a totally indefensible and stupid position then (over 10-14 years ago) and it's even more stupid now. If one pays any attention at all to draft prospects and: the comments that scouts and the media make about them: the way they play in college; the comments made about them by their HCs and GMs following mini-camps, OTAs, and TC (like they're extremely raw, need to learn to use their hands more, need to get lower and use better leverage, etc.; the way they play as rookies in the NFL, one wouldn't make such a ridiculous comment.
     
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  15. alleycat9

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    what was ralebirds comment in reference to?

    its is disturbing how much stuff guys who have played the game for 15 years don't know as they are drafted into the nfl. it is amazing that guys have shit mechanics and nobody has ever worked with them to fix them. I cant understand how it occurs. youth, high school and college these guys go through without ever having a coach who actually has any idea of what he is doing?
     
  16. Zach

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    Tell me - what school is known as the QB mill? None, if I have to tell you.

    The reason? College football is not an amateur competition that it used to be any more. It's a billion-dollar industry. If you lose, you also lose endorsements, ad deals and much more. As such, college coaches cannot devote the time to nurture the QBs like they are supposed to. They are hired to win first and foremost, not to nurture the students. When the focus shifts to the Ws and Ls, the next shift occurs to [what works best] - and as you would know better, Spread system is what works best in current situation.

    Think about it. The QB is, a student too after all. He is not staying in the program forever. You are getting 4 years out of him at most. So what will you do? Teach him the correct mechanics and coverage reading? What guarantee do you have that the kid will be drafted in the first place? [You don't have any.] And you KNOW your program will suffer by doing that. Hence most college programs have turned to spread option offense. It is not their fault; unless NFL intervenes and gives them a reason to install correct mechanics and coverage readings [and many other subtleties that a QB will need as a pro] college teams will just follow money.
     
  17. Organized Chaos

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    It should be mentioned that even though Chan Gailey runs "The Spread" the terminology/route concepts from his playbook is Erhardt-Perkins (Gailey worked under Erhardt in Pittsburg). When Hackenberg was with Bill O'Brian his freshman year and ran a "pro-style offense" it was likely Erhardt-Perkins terminology and concepts (From O'Brian's time with the pats).

    Hackenberg may "get" the playbook better than Petty does already since he's likely familiar with the concepts. I'm not sure about Geno, he should get it by now but of course Geno doesn't understand timezones so who knows.
     
  18. GQMartin

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    I believe the staff went on record and said they were having the rookies run the offense in the mini camp which is unusual but they did it because they want Hackenberg to have as much time with the offense as they can afford.

    I would then also have to believe he has the playbook.
     
  19. GQMartin

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    If a poster on a message board offers this as an area of focus after watching Hack videos, I'd deduce the same.
     
  20. Organized Chaos

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    I'm sure he physically has the playbook. By "Get" the playbook I mean he might comprehend the plays and concepts behind them.
     

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