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  1. Bills over Jets

    Bills over Jets Well-Known Member

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    I cant believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten. They trade a first round pick for a guy and now he needs to be a hall of famer. All I can do is laugh.
     
  2. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Laugh all the way to last place in the East, it's your right as a Bills fan.
     
  3. nycarl

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    See, this is why people call you a troll- if your point is questioned, well, why not just make things up? Then you "laugh"at our overreaction to your lie, classic troll behavior. They didn't just trade a first round pick, as you allege; they traded a premium #9 pick and a 2nd first round pick next year, which if you go 8-8(questionable) would be around #14-18, another premium pick. And they threw in another quality pick in the 4th round. Why not tell the truth? Because you'll lose your interminable argument?
     
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  4. Bills over Jets

    Bills over Jets Well-Known Member

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    They traded 1 first round pick dude (next year). They got a first round pick in return. The 4th round doesnt matter to me.
     
  5. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    You don't seem to understand much.

    Your Bills have not made the postseason in 14 years, which ties the record for second most years consecutive without making the playoffs since the Super Bowl Era started.

    What you don't understand is that your Bills have been average at best for over a decade. They have not made the postseason for 14 years straight making them an average to bad team. With that in mind, you traded your 2015 first round pick, which based on previous years, will be between 10 and 15 most likely, and your 2015 fourth round pick. You also seem to forget that you gave away Stevie Johnson, your best receiver on your squad who is a proven NFL talent.

    So now, you've given up a potential number 10 pick in 2015, your fourth round pick in 2015, and your best wide receiver, all for a college recruit that has never played an NFL snap. You bet your ass he needs to put up huge numbers.
     
  6. Bills over Jets

    Bills over Jets Well-Known Member

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    What YOU dont understand is that Stevie Johnson was not involved in this trade. You're not a Bills fan, so I dont expect you to know, but they have been trying to trade him all offseason. He's a pain in the ass, makes a lot of money, and his production is not worth all of that headache. There have been rumors for a while now that he was out the door. Bills fans have been advocating and expecting this for a while now. If you didnt expect him to be traded, then you've been living under a rock.

    You do not know where the Bills will finish yet, so how can you make any conclusions about the pick next year? I couldnt care less about the 4th round pick (which we got back, btw, in a separate trade).

    As I said, we traded 1 first round pick.
     
  7. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    this bills bitch comes in randomly to take pot shots at one or two of the dumbest posts as if that's the consensus and then runs away when people call him out. what a bitch.

    I suppose if your team is halfway towards moving out of the country you have to hold onto something.
     
  8. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    all you've done is talk up and defend Steve Johnson for years now. Now that he's traded you trash him? Typical Bills fan loser. Was Byrd not that good either?

    Marshawn Lynch was God too until he left... then he was overrated too right?
     
  9. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    He was involved lol you traded him because you drafted Watkins. Any five year old can put those two together
     
  10. jcass10

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    I disagree that Watkins needs to be a Hall of Famer in order for the Bills to win this trade, that seems like an over exaggeration. If the Bills end up having a good season and give away the 20th pick, it'll hurt, but it wont destroy them.

    My complaint would be that, they haven't improved their WR corps since last season. Watkins is going to be a very good player (I don't think he was worth the 5th pick, but I think he has a bright future). Having said that, in the 2014/2015 season, I think Stevie Johnson will be the better option. I thought they would be better off keeping both and dumping Johnson at the end of the season (or at the trade deadline, if he wasn't needed).

    They could easily be picking in the top 10 this year, in which case, they gave away a ton for Watkins. But we cant judge this trade fully for at least 2 seasons, and perhaps more.
     
  11. The Waterboy

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    Previously you posted the Johnson was a star and went on about how they just needed a #2 across from him but now that he is gone he is a pain and his production is not worth it. Got it.

    Saying they traded "1" 1st round pick is just wrong it cost them "2" 1st round picks plus to get Watkins. If they did not have the 9th pick to trade up with to put with the 2015 1st round pick they do not get the #4 pick.
     
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  12. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    You say that Stevie Johnson was not involved in the trade, yet you stupidly factor in the 4th you got back for Stevie in a separate trade to justify what you gave up to get Watkins.

    LOL
     
  13. Br4d

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    WR's in the top 10 have a really checkered history over the last decade or so. A couple of guys really helped their teams, but those teams were stockpiling talent leading into the pick also.

    Most of the top 10 WR's of the last decade have been busts who did not help their teams at all.

    2004 - Larry Fitzgerald (great player/team average), Roy Williams (decent player/team bust), Reggie Williams (decent player/team bust)
    2005 - Braylon Edwards (decent player/team bust), Troy Williamson (bust/team average), Mike Williams (bust/team bust)
    2007 - Calvin Johnson (great player/team bust), Ted Ginn Jr (bust/ team bust)
    2009 - Darrius Heyward-Bey (decent player/team bust), Michael Crabtree (good player/team good)
    2011 - A.J. Green (great player/team good), Julio Jones (great player/team good*)
    2012 - Justin Blackmon (bust/team bust)
    2013 - Tavon Austin (too early to tell)

    The one thing that the 4 great players in this era had in common was height. They were all 6'3" or taller. I think the Bills just miscalculated with Watkins in making the trade up. He was a fine pick on the 4 but they traded for him as if he was a great pick on the 4 and he's just not that kind of prospect.
     
  14. CJLang

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    Bottom line is the Bills gave up too much to get this guy. They don't even know if their QB is legit yet.
     
  15. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    I think they accurately read Odell Beckham as a climber not worth the 9 pick and they couldn't trade up for the 6 or 7 to get Evans without giving up their 1st next year or most of their draft this year. They should have just stayed put on the 9 but once you've decided you have to have a star WR out of the draft, well your hands are tied and what are you going to do?

    It's a tricky thing tying your own hands like that but that's what bad teams do.
     
  16. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    They don't care that they gave up too much for Watkins though, that's the thing.

    The GM and CS there likely won't be around next year anyway when a new owner comes in and picks his own guys.. that's why they made every effort to keep their picks from this year and not worry about next year's draft - - - because they recognize they probably won't be around, so who cares.

    Instead they get a very good player at a position that could have a major impact immediately, if not who cares beyond that.. Think about if you are Doug Whaley their GM, by grabbing Watkins he's essentially padding his resume for his next job. When/If he loses his job from a new owner who cleans house, if Watkins turns out to be a star and he certainly has the tools to be one, he's just padded his resume. "I was the one who brought Watkins to that team, I was let go before I could finish the job strictly because of new ownership..." It won't be his mess to dig out of when they are missing a pick the next season and he ends up looking like a smart man.

    I will say though, that although that plan is not an ideal one for an organization to follow, it's at least different than what they have been doing for the past 15 years, where they've been a joke. Basically sometimes it takes putting your ass against the fire to do something crazy that ends up being genius - who knows.
     
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    ding ding ding. I've been saying this all year. Watkins is a small receiver. Is he really that much better than every other small receiver that you rank him above the top big receivers aka Mike Evans? Not in my opinion.
     
  18. JStokes

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    Not that I have a dog in this race, but Watkins is not exactly a "small" receiver. He's not a "tall" receiver by any stretch, but to say he's "small" because he's only 6'-1" is a bit of an overstatement.

    He is physically a very stout and tremendously strong WR. He's basically the same size as Anquan Boldin and I'm not sure anyone would call Boldin a "small" receiver. And Sammy is much much faster.

    If your criteria is you need to be 6-3 and over to not be a small receiver, I'd agree, but I'd disagree with your criteria.

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  19. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Speaking of dogs, today I saw an Irish Wolfhound wearing a saddle with a little stuffed knight on it. I wanted to take a picture but left my phone in the car.
     
  20. JStokes

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    Useless without pics.

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