Week 5- NY Jets @ Chargers Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by Monty_Droppings, Sep 28, 2014.

  1. kevmvp

    kevmvp Well-Known Member

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    The Jets need to do the things there not doing to win lol

    Protect the football, convert when they move down into San Diego territory, and force a couple freakin turnovers.
     
  2. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    The Jets and the Saints are the only two remaining defenses left that have no interceptions.

    Figures, both the Ryan brothers.
     
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  3. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    it's incredible
     
  4. RubenDias

    RubenDias Well-Known Member

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    Tampa 2 scheme gives more turnovers then blitz schemes
     
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    74 Well-Known Member

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    Of course we're going to lose. The real question is will we cover the spread? +7. Probably not.
     
  6. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    True. But still, it's ridiculous.
     
  7. Big Cat

    Big Cat Well-Known Member

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    Between WVU and with us, Sunday is Genos first start in the Pacific time zone in 60 starts (Cimini). Hopefully after the game we'll be able to say "the times have changed"...

    Come on, you laughed
     
  8. Umphpool

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    Yeah it was a "smart" joke I enjoyed it
     
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  9. 1968jetsfan

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    Sad to say but I'm going with the Chargers winning the game and the Jets going 1-4. Rivers is coming in hot and while the Jets defense is top 3 in rush defense the Chargers don't really try to run the ball much beyond just keeping defenses honest.

    The Jets rank 10th in passing yard defense, but 29th in passing TD's allowed.
     
  10. soxxx

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    Want to know whats more remarkable?

    New York Jets have the #3 defense
    New York Jets #1 against the run
    New York Jets are #10 against the Pass
    New York Jets lead the league in sacks

    #21 in points allowed.....

    The Jets are also the #2 running team, so pretty much our defense is doing very good, our run game is solid, but it has come down to the QB play. It literally looks like 2009 all over again....we are running the ball, hitting the QB, etc but the QB play has not been good.

    And this a reason why we should start Vick, the Jets defense statisically should not be #21 in points allowed, the QB is putting the defense in bad spots etc.

    When was the last time Vick played with a defense the Jets have right now? Not in recent history if ever, the defense should only be giving about 20 points a game, if you send Vick out there with the mentality that he has to put up only about 21 points or so, he will get it!!! In Philly his defense was getting ripped to shreds and he had to score at least something on almost every drive.

    The stats say even with Geno, the Jets will turn it around, but its going to be hard when we have San Diego-Denver-New England, a San Diego team I believe is going to the Super Bowl now.....(I picked them to win the AFC West but lost to New England in the AFC Championship, which I have zero faith in now).
     
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  11. The Dark Knight

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    I don't know why any other stat besides Points Allowed is even used for defense. Who cares about total yards? It is all about points. The Jets D has been awful compared to Rex's standards. Anything can happen on any given Sunday, but it will be hard to win in San Diego. I'm taking the Jets, because they have to win sometime!
     
  12. RubenDias

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    Maybe we can go the whole season without a pick.
     
  13. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    No way. Points allowed is probably one of the worst single statistics to use for ranking defenses for two obvious reasons:

    1) Points Allowed is just a measure of all the points your opponent scores. Of course, this includes touchdowns scored on: kickoff returns, punt returns, punt blocks, interception returns, and fumble returns. This fact, in and of itself, completely destroys the notion that the "points allowed" statistic is a useful one for evaluating defensive performance.

    2) Points Allowed count against the defense, regardless of starting field position. So, if your quarterback throws three interceptions that are returned to inside your own ten yard line in the first quarter, and then your defense gives up 1 TD and two field goals, it is read as: "The defense gave up 13 points in the 1st quarter." That's a bad defensive quarter according to the points allowed stat (the defense would be on pace to give up 52 points), but of course, in reality, the defense would have done a pretty good job to hold 2 out of 3 goal-line possessions to field goals.

    Yards allowed has its own problems, but is easily a better all-around statistic for assessing a team's overall defensive prowess.
     
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  14. 1968jetsfan

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    Over the course of a season things tend to balance out on the field position issue...but at the end of the day how many points a team allows vs how many it scores is all that matters.
     
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  15. slimjasi

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    Actually, generally speaking, things tend not to even out if you have a particularly mistake prone offense. Every year there are teams (almost always losing ones) with a large negative turnover differential.

    I totally agree with the bolded, but nonetheless, it happens to be a poor metric for assessing overall defensive performance.
     
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    When geno through the pick 6 against the bears it went as 7 point against our defense. That's why.
     
  17. Axel3419

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    This is simply a factually incorrect statement. Things don't simply balance out when a team has a top 10 defense and a bottom 5 offense.
     
  18. Turbocharged23

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    This is a terrible matchup for us. Their strength is passing and their weakness is running the ball. They are also good at stuffing the run. This game is all about Geno
     
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  19. 1968jetsfan

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    Everything taken individually is a poor metric of assessing overall defense. If a team is #1 in terms of fewest running yards allowed it looks impressive, but if your a team like the Broncos last year it might be because teams are forced from their running games to keep up. Case in point, the Jets are ranked #10 in pass defense at 228 yards per game....BUT the yards per attempt against the defense they fall all the way down to 12th and in allowed completion rate the rank 11th. So they are consistently in the upper portion of the middle third of the league....then again those number are thrown way out of kilter due to a horrible Oakland team getting 158 total yards. While this isn't fair to do I think it is important to put this in to more of a perspective. if you eliminate the Oakland game then the Jets that average climbs to 268 yards per game which would rank as 26th in the league. Not saying the pass defense is that bad, or that eliminating the game is fair (strictly speaking it's not) but after only 4 games having one game against the leagues most inept offenses puts things in to a better perspective, especially if you want to look at the defense in regards as to how it responds to good teams. Of course if you eliminate the worst game from every teams stats things will always look a little better, but usually it won't result in between a 15-20% improvement in overall stats. Still, given that a 4th string corner is playing one side and a Safety is the other corner Rex's pass defense has done remarkably well.

    A few more games and that will balance out because every team by that point will have played at least one game vs an anemic offense and that will balance out the rankings.....but the fact that dropping one games performance totally destroys the per game yardage ranking, points allowed ranking. The defenses inability to take the ball away has also hurt, badly. Do you realize that if the Jets Defense was just average on Takeaways the team would only be -1 in give/takeaways? So yes, the yards allowed is somewhat deceiving...at least for now.
     
  20. 1968jetsfan

    1968jetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Yes they do, 2009 and 2010 the Jets truly had a top 10 defense that had to fend off many turnovers and pick 6's AND STILL RANKED 1st in points allowed one year and 5th in points allowed the next year.
    The Year Sanchez threw 20 picks the Jets allowed the fewest points in the NFL. In both years the team had a bottom 10 offense. and if you want to compare top 10 because of yards gained by the defense then you have to admit the offense is a top 15 offense because it ranks 11th in yards per game. If you're going to apply top 5 defense based on total yards allowed then you have to apply top 11 offense because of total yards gained.
     

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