Week. 3- Bears @ NY Jets Discussion Thread

You have to win the time of poss. again.....but the OLine was utter shit in the running game vs GB so who knows. You should run on the Bears but that's all good on paper. You have to try and establish the run early, take the ball to start the game and dictate the game by running the ball. Keep the Bears offense out of rhythm. The Bears OLine is wounded and SHOULD be taken advantage of but we have an inconsistent pass rush that looks amazing one minute and mediocre the next. Their secondary can be thrown at though Fuller had a damn good game vs SF......their safeties in particular are a weak spot. They were the favorites to draft a Calvin Pryor as many places had him slotted to them before draft day. It was for a reason.

The TEs HAVE TO BE USED against the Bears. Amaro or Cumberland have to be prioritized as a weapon. When Cumberland got fed the ball vs Oakland, we were moving the chains. Yesterday we shied away from the use of these guys. This is especially going to hold true if Decker can't play.

I will say 26-21 Jets with a big Special Teams play by Hakim that sets us up big. Gould does not have a big leg, he can be had on special team kickoffs.

 

Living in Chicago, this should be an interesting week for me.

 

Another game the Jets should/have to win. 2-1 ain't bad.

Lam

 

I laughed out loud when I read that the Jets are somehow 3 point favorites to win this game. Do the oddsmakers even watch the games?

We were gifted 7 points because of GB's incompetent backup center, and caught them sleeping in the first quarter and a half. After that they woke up, and our coaches and players remembered that they're the wildly incompetent Jets and doubled down on making as many stupid mistakes as they possibly could:

Icing our own QB on a game-tying 4th down conversion. Our best player getting himself ejected for the second time in 16 games, while smiling and laughing about it. Running prevent defense in the second quarter. Making our QB play under center when every fan knows he can't do that. Not making substitutions competently to ensure that David Harris's interception doesn't count. Covering Jordy Nelson with a cornerback who suffers from "broken entire body syndrome" and who was clearly too injured to have played even a single down. (Don't worry, forcing him back early will only set his recovery time back another 4 weeks.)

And anyone expected the Jets to win after that? Delusional! As soon as Rex went into prevent defense in the second quarter and let Rodgers get that 97 TD drive, I told my friend "They're going to score a TD here, and the Jets just lost this game." My heart didn't believe it, but my brain saw it coming miles away.

I'm not trusting the Jets at all in 2014. They have shattered my trust.

I'm expecting the Bears to win, about 42-6. Look for the Jets to ice another Geno Smith touchdown pass, along with other "creative" plays from the offensive mastermind that is Marty Morningwood. Maybe he'll try making Geno AND Vick wide receivers. I also don't see how Brandon Marshall finishes with less than 250 yards on Monday.

And regardless of the Bears' injuries on defense, even their backup corners / whatever 500 lbs insurance salesman fans they let play corner - our receivers make them all look like 2010 Revises. Remember, we're also gifting them about 200 penalty yards.

And yet, irrationally, I'll be watching and hoping anyway.

 

Drama major in college by any chance?

 

Nope.

 

So that means you actually believe what you wrote?

 

Well... sigh. You're right, I don't actually believe that; but I do feel what I wrote.

Usually the Jets are crap in the first half, try to keep it close, and then make their move after halftime. Seeing them go up so much in the first half made me feel like... that maybe this was the team Rex was telling us about. To have that yanked away was such a huge disappointment.

If I'm being objective, the Jets played better than normal, and worse than normal- but overall they showed they can hang with anyone. That if they fix some discipline issues and if MM learns from his mistakes (he changed the game plan after halftime and it was horrible), and if maybe Decker isn't out for too long... that they could still be a very good team and even make the playoffs.

But I can't be objective now. I'm still too disappointed.

 

Geno's awesome at home (7-2) and his only career start on MNF was arguably the best game of his career (@ Falcons).

You can say whatever you want about the collapse but I still take away a lot of positives from what happened yesterday. Aaron Rodgers is 28-3 in his last 31 home starts and they were pissed off on 10 days rest. For us to make that first half statement, against one of the NFLs better teams, at home, gave me a lot of confidence in this team.

In my eyes we need to go 2-3 over the next 5 to have a really good shot at the playoffs. Obviously it would've been a lot easier if we were 2-0, but it's time to move on (to a very beatable Bears team). Marshall and Jeffrey are still dynamic, but as Collinsworth pointed out last night, they aren't downfield threats in their current states. The 49ers corners were giving 15 yard cushions and not even backing up because they were so confident that they weren't going to get beat deep.

Our main problem in the secondary is the deep ball, so hey! Good matchup! Also, the Bears were the worst team against the run by far last year, so hey! Good matchup! One loss doesn't break a season, especially in such a paritable AFC (only 4 teams are 2-0; one of them is the Bills-lol, and another is the Texans). 9-7 will probably cut it. Stop overreacting.

 

The Bears will be favored/majority pick by the media and fans, but im not buying into their win. Yes it was a good win, but lets not get to hyped. If you have been following the 49ers, they are very much due for some regression, I believe they are at best an 8 win team. So beating a non playoff team is not that impressive. Its like the Jets last year, we beat Atlanta, but we soon found out that Atlanta was just hot garbage to begin with. The 49ers are hot garbage imo,

So let the media favor the bears, (although the bears arent typically the media favorite anyway, but pretty the Jets are at the bottom when it comes to confidence, everyone picks against the Jets, always, and have never bought in, even in 2010 we had MANY media people predicting a non playoff season....)

 

Yes we can get an int. but we will have 12 guys on the field

 

I thought we did a pretty good job applying pressure. It seemed like Rodgers was getting hit an awful lot.
There was a few times though that he had forever to throw the ball. I thought coples had a good game

 

If Decker isn't right, we're toast.

 

If we can't pick Cutler off, this is going to be a long game in my opinion.

 

The Monday night Massacre...

A half-assed Jeffery and Marshall will tear our secondary apart..

 

Outside the RZ we need to take a page out of San Fran's playbook and sit on their routes. Inside the 20 though, don't know what we can do.

 

That 7-2 record at home since Geno took over is the reason why the Jets are favored by 3 this week.

That and the big overreaction to the Bears winning. The 49er's turned the ball over 4 times, the Bears didn't turn it over once, and the Bears won by a touchdown. The 49er's refusal to let Frank Gore run the ball (13 carries for 63 yards + one 60+ yard run negated by penalty), and their insistence to ride the arm of Kaepernick is the reason why they will never win a Super Bowl.

Kaepernick in Year 4 looks like Geno in year 1. He makes some plays with his legs. He can makes some plays with his arm. He doesn't see the field well at all though and throws constant interceptions, and the sad thing is he has Crabtree, Bolden, Davis, and Stevie Johnson. Give Kaep the Jets receiving core and he would be one of the worst 3 - 5 QB's in the league.

 

Their offensive line is pretty unspectacular, especially at the tackle positions. Their starters from LT to RT are:
Jermon Bushrod (A mediocre tackle taken in the 4th round by the Saints in 2007), Matt Slauson, Roberto Garza (a 35 year old center who's best days are behind him), Kyle Long (the Bears' 2013 1st rounder, a pretty solid player who's potential has not been reached yet), and Jordan Mills (the Bears' 2013 5th rounder, who gave up more pressures than any tackle in the league in his rookie year). Expect our defensive line to be even more productive than they were against the Packers line. There isn't a single player on that line other than Long who can match up with our defensive linemen, and Long is not consistent. Mo should be able to win his matchup over and over again, as should Sheldon. I don't expect Forte to generate much of anything on the ground, although he can probably hurt us in the receiving game so we will need to watch him carefully.

Keeping Cutler on the run will be imperative, because even though his receivers are excellent, forcing bad decisions should not be too hard for us. Cutler is talented and can hit his mark any time he is given time, but fortunately for us he is a bit less mobile than Aaron Rodgers, and a much worse decision maker when faced with pressure. He tends to be more brittle than Rodgers as well, so he will react worse to getting hit. I'd love to get a big hit on him on his very first possession.

Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffrey will both present issues for us this week, but I hardly need to tell anyone that. Marshall is practically tight end sized at 6'4" and 230, with some of the best hands in the league. The only good news is that he isn't as speedy as he once was, and he's never been a burner so he is a dominant possession receiver/red zone target. He can win jump balls for chunk yards, but we should be able to pressure Cutler sufficiently that he doesn't get many opportunities for that. He is surprisingly shifty and difficult to tackle, though his ankle injury may effect his ability to make defenders miss. Jeffrey is practically a Marshall clone, although he is not quite as elusive with the ball in his hands as Marshall in his prime. Jeffrey is more likely to run through a tackle than to run around a guy. When you add in Martellus Bennet, it's basically a basketball team of receivers. The truth is these guys are going to put up some points on us, so we have to force interceptions and keep up on offense. If we got out to a 21-3 lead, this would be a win, because Cutler is not the ice-man that Rodgers is. We need to get sacks and tip balls at the line of scrimmage as often as possible. I agree that we need to sit on the receiver's routes, our secondary has the speed to stay with all of these guys, so we need to try and generate so much pressure that Cutler has to toss up half asses passes into coverage.


Their defense is lackluster, and the best player on their team is probably Jared Allen. Allen still has a very high motor, but his athleticism isn't what it has always been. He will get pressures, but I think Geno's mobility will probably keep Allen's box score to one sack or less for the game. I don't know if Jay Ratliff is even playing, but he certainly doesn't scare me nor does Stephen Paea when it comes to defending the run. I hope to get close to another 200 yard rushing game. LaMarr Houston is a solid run defending DE, but Giacomini and Colon are both apt run blocking guards. Their second level run defense is pretty weak, so we need to consistently smash them with the run game until we start gashing them with some big plays. I think we will get a pretty big game out of Cumberland and Amaro so I hope Marty makes them a big part of the game plan.

Geno is better than most people around the league think, but the Bears have enough game tape on him to see that now. Last year a team just had to blitz enough to get him panicked and make mistakes, but now he is smart enough to recognize blitzes and move away from him. Hopefully Decker is back, because just having him on the field is going to pressure the defense. Tillman on IR helps us out, because even though Fuller had a good game, he is still a rookie. We have to target him and force him to show us he can cover well, and I'd also expect a big game out of Kerley because the Bears have a hard time covering the middle of the field. I genuinely believe if we had played the Packers at Metlife we would have won, and the Packers are definitely a better team than the Bears. I'm not "expecting" a win, because the Bears aren't bad and any given Sunday... But I think we are the more talented team and we are playing at home.

I can predict a win without feeling like a homer, which was not the case last week.

 

If Decker is out, we are pretty much fucked I will say that. He has 35% of all of our passing yards, and 7 out of 20 of our 1st downs. When he went down the other day too, the team looked just like last season again.

PLEASE FOOTBALL GODS. PLEASE LET JERRY JONES FORGET TO PAY DEZ BRYANT AFTER THIS YEAR AND HE BECOMES A JET.

I don't know if I can take this shitty receiver situation much longer. If Geno had Colin Kaepernick's receiving core he would be a Top 10 QB right now, and I'm not kidding.