Leon Washington singlehandedly beat KC; everyone else should be held accountable and a close examination thereof. We are making way too many mistakes to win the next 4 games. We need to get are A-game going; Leon gets it - his performance was an A-game; everyone else.............soso to just bad; Favre - horrible is the only word for it. Shotty's not going after a running game early was stupid; his call of a screen on the 15 yard line was mega-stupid.
I just hate seeing how bipolar BF is during the games he throws a td and runs around chest bumping everyone. Then he throws a horrible pick and sits alone on the bench and sulks. I give him credit for being able to bounce back from just about anything whether its a big hit or a terrible throw. But how long before it bites him and the team in the ass?
We stink yet we are 4-3 and one game back from the division lead with a huge game coming up with the first place overrated Bills. Crazy NFL season this is and it is wide open, only a very few teams are counted out at the midway point.
Couldn't the same be said of Favre? We have 3 promising QBs in Clemens, Ratliff, and Ainge. Don't you think it will be beneficial to their development to watch a HOF QB like Favre for 1-3 years? I really think that is why we kept all 4 QBs because the CS and FO are looking towards the future. They are trying to win the short-term with Favre, and in the meantime letting the 3 young backups develop and learn from a seasoned vet. And when Favre finally retires and leaves, one of these guys will be better prepared to step up (hopefully) and be our QB of the future - I think it will Ratliff, personally. And at this point Henne has not played a singel snap yet, so he is as big of a question mark as Clemens, Ratliff, and Ainge. So I don't see how Miami is in a better position at QB, as you are suggesting. Considering we have 3 good prospects and Miami only has one, AND we have a better veteran mentoring them.
The only problem with this is that Chad is much younger than Favre, he can play another three or four years, Favre may not make it more than one year.
It sounds like you want to place the majority of the blame on the CS. While they're not blameless, I say the execution stinks too. For openers, the O-line was dismal yesterday. They need to hang their heads in collective shame. They gave Favre very little pass protection and opened up very few holes on running plays with any consistency. Okay, they did do enough to get Jones into the end zone, but even on that I was sweating out. If you can't run the ball in from down there something's wrong. And it's a deadly combination... the inabiity to protect Favre consistently combined with his gunslinger mentality. He's rushed and about to be sacked, so what does he do? He wings it downfield to Coles in double coverage. WTF? We're ahead 21-17 and looking to ice it and all of a sudden we're behind 21-24. Just horrible. You just can't do that shit and get into the playoffs, I don't care who goes .500. Unless Mangini sits down with Brett and tells him that's not going to cut it here, he doesn't have a hair on his ass. HOF'er or not, those kind of throws cannot be allowed. Now that's EXECUTION, that ain't coaching. But... BUT.... if Mangini does NOT sit Favre down and have that talk with him... well, then... I agree with you. That's coaching. That's what coaches do.... that's what they get paid for. Mangini has to man up and realize he can't be Favre's friend. He's got to sit him down and make him stop with this alread. The next group he needs to talk to is the O-line. Then he needs to address penalties. Then the secondary. And I don't mean do it in his usual, self-controlled, calm, cool, collected style. He needs to give it a little Mike Singletary. This team needs a good kick in the ass about now.
I don't see that as a problem. Personally I think Favre will be back next year and probably the year after. The guy still has the fire and can still rifle the ball. Just looking at past history, IMO he will be back. In any case, having our 3 young promising QBs learn and develop behind a HOF QB that has won a SB for 1 year, is better than having them develop behind a QB with a weak arm that hasn't won anything, for 3-4 years.
all you guys are asking way to much from the jets, why does every fan think were so much better then we really are. We are not that good yet that we are gonna beat up on bad teams, it's just a fact. We are 4-3 and were an average team right now and thats good, STOP COMPLANING 4-3 is more then enough for right now. We turned the ball over 3 times and got no turnovers for ourselves and still won, that definitly shows signs of a good team so just remember that. Yes and i do know that most of the time we wouldnt of won that game turning the ball over 3 times against a good team, but still.
3 int's 3 INT'S! No excuses for the old man anymore. He is washed up and still after all these years he has played can't learn that it is better to throw the ball away instead of chuckin the ball down field for the other guys to catch. One of the throws was into exellent double coverage. If he does that crap at ralph wilson it is going to be a ass whoopin from the bills.
Where are people getting "three promising QBs" on our roster? Clemens has proven nothing with the chances he's been given, Ainge barely made the roster and hardly played in pre-season, which leaves Ratliff. I'd be willing to give him a long look if/when Favre retires but that's it. To say we have three promising QB prospects is wishful thinking at best.
The pass protection i DO blame on the CS. If you watch the protection closely, everyone of the front 5 has a player occupied...no one is getting beat(w/ the exception of Woody who isn't at full strength and was facing a pretty good pass rusher). What's happening is teams are blizing the hell out of us in the tackle/guard gap...alot of times there are more rushers than blockers and if their arent..their seems to be a problem w/ the protection schemes b/c the front 5 dont even ACKNOWLEDGE the blitzers. So either 1. mangold sucks at protection calls 2. FAVRE sucks at protection calls 3. The front 5 lack any intelligence and are just ignoring blitz pick ups or 4. There is something wrong w/ the pass protection schemes. I'm leaning toward either 2 or 4.
I will give you Clemens, I am not a fan either, but still coming out of college he has the physical tools, he just doesn't seem to grasp the game mentally yet, more of an intangible thing. So I still think he is promising, but his time is running out. I don't know why you are writing off Ainge yet. He was a 5th rounder, just like Brady by the way (not saying he will be another Brady just that he shouldn't be written off yet). I don't think he was ever in danger of not making the roster considering we just drafted him in the 5th round. He is a great physical QB speciman and very intelligent. I would definitely call him promising and would like to see him get more reps in the preseason. However, I really think Ratliff will turn into something special. In any case, like I said in addressing the other poster, all of them have as much of a question mark as Henne. I would much rather they get mentored by a winning veteran like Favre than Pennington (who is a great guy but an average QB at best). Which was the point I was trying to make.
To the article at the top opf the thread Cannizaro is right about the effort yesterday. Wow we were really bad. While I believe in the phrase " on any given Sunday " Jets almost had two Sundays in row. The good teams do not... This team is very much Mangini and Tnnenbaum's team at this point. At this point, the record and thier play is an accuarate reflection of the FO and the CS.
I'm not writing off Ainge yet, but I don't know that I'd call him "promising" at this point, either. Ratliff I would say is promising. Also, I don't know that Pennington wouldn't be a better mentor for the young guys than Favre is. Favre relies solely on talent, something that can't be taught, while Pennington succeeds by having a great understanding of the game, which can be taught.
