In honor of Abyzmul, I am going to make this as tactful as I can: Jesus H Christ, how can any half brained twit defend Bradway as GM. For the most part his draft picks sucked, his trades sucked and he sucked. Every fucking thing he did is/was reactionary. Fuck him, thank god he is not the GM any longer and we have a management team that seems to be moving the amount of talent on this roster in the correct direction, something Bradway never ever did! EDIT: You can lump that hunk of shit called Herm in with Bradway because his stench was just as bad!
I like the phrase "Herm and Bradway had to turnover the roster in 02" What isn't realized is that guys like Damian Robinson, Donnie Abraham, and Sam Cowart certainly helped the team but it was Pennington, Coles, Chrebet, Martin , Lewis, Marvin Jones, and that OL who were the core of the team and none of those guys were brought in by Sperm and Badway.
I know he has and I believe he fell prey to the media perception. People forget we had a FOURTH string QBH playing for us most of 2005 along w./ a 3rd string RB, and only ONE OL that started and ended the season in the same position(Adrian Jones). Cotch played, he had little chance to put up good #s. He was our 3rd leading WR as he was our #3 receiver but we were down in most games and he was playing alot. Kareem McKenzie, Brandon Moore, Dave Szott, Pete Kendall. That's replenishing, right? it doesn't all have to come through the draft. -Moss has proven to be a top WR in the NFL both here and w/ Washington. -Herm's "master plan" wasn't to move Ellis, Jason ferguson got hurt in TC and he moved him there out of desperation and that was 2001 NOT 2002 so it had nothing to do w/ drafting Bryan Thomas. -Robertson was a good fit in our 4-3, he was great for us in 2004. We gave up a little much but we had the extra pick and w eknew Josh Evans was going to get suspensed so TB made a move out of desperation which you should never do but it was loking good until he got hurt in '05 then we changed schemes in '06. -I can't tell, are you complaining about the Vilma pick? Vilma was great before we switched schemes and Jason ferguson hasn't been a great player since leaving us. had we known we were going back to a 3-4 a year later maybe they would have offered more $ but it made no sense to break the bank at that point in time. They absolutely did. parcells isn't stupid, he knew he was walking into a team w/ tons of young talent despite the awful records. The problem is BP gets all the credit for turning those guys around but then when Herm and his staff win w/ the p[layers they inherited they don't get any credit THEN when Mangini wins in year 1 w/ mostly Bradway players Mangini gets all the credit. I don't understand how that works? How does a team underachieve when they got BETTER after Bradway and Herm took over and WORSE when they left? We had ONE year where the OL was bad and that was due to injuries. We had one guy start and finish the season in the same position- Adrian Jones. and only Curtis was brought in by BP. Chad & Coles were drafted by Groh and Chrebet, Lewis and Marvin came before BP. W/o those moves that offseason we wouldn't have had a chance to win the division. We were in cap hell, Bradwya made a great move to get us out and we signed some guys that played big for in 2002. We turned it around when the OL got healthy and Chad came in AND when the D started stopping people and a big reason for that was JOSH EVANS. Below is a breakdown of who acquired the players for our playoff years: 2001 starters: Parcells:O 7, D 1 Total 8 Groh:O 2, D 2 Total 4 Steinberg:O 1, D 4 Total 5 Kotite:O 1, D 1 Total 2 Bradway: O 0, D 3 Total 3 Tb was wise to not make many major changes so Herm took a team that underachieved for a couple of seasons and guided them back to the postseason for the first time in 3 years. 2002 starters: BP:O 5, D 1 Total 6(-2) AG:O 3, D 2 Total 5(+1) DS:O 1, D 2 Total 3(-2) RK:O 1, D 0 Total 1(-1) TB: O 1, D 6 Total 7(+4) He had to retool the D thanks to the cap mess he inherited and we had 5 new starters on D and Herm led them to only our 2nd ever AFC East Title. 2004 starters: BP:O 4, D 1 Total 5(-1) AG:O 2, D 2 Total 4(-1) DS:O 0, D 0 Total 0(-3) RK:O 0, D 0 Total 0(-1) TB:O 5, D 8 Total 13(+6) Some of the DS/RK era players were getting old on D and we overhauled the D again and won 10 games and were a kick away from the AFC Title Game.
it makes me sick thinking about us having santana moss as our slot receiver and watching sperm edwards march his fullback out there and put him in the slot 15 times a game. meanwhile santana sat on the sidelines waiting for a punt return or one of his 8 snaps a game. nyjunc we will never EVER agree about herm edwards, and i dont care for the things bradway did to this franchise either. i sure do enjoy watching sperm get his pants beat off every week. and his players love him SOOO much out there too. i am kind of surpised the fans out there havent thrown him out yet, ill give them credit though they did realize alot quicker than we did that he sucks a fat one.
When exactly did that happen? I hate when people make things up. When was Santana ever sitting on the sidelines and just a PR for us, getting 8 snaps a game? WHEN did this happen?
Tb was wise to not make many major changes so Herm took a team that underachieved for a couple of seasons and guided them back to the postseason for the first time in 3 years. He had to retool the D thanks to the cap mess he inherited and we had 5 new starters on D and Herm led them to only our 2nd ever AFC East Title. --------------------------------------- its almost painful to read this garbage, but it made me smile because it reminded me of joe benignos quote after one of the sperminators epic suckfests. not an exact quote but this is how i remember it and it makes me smile every single time i think about it. 'lead, LEAD, LEAD herm edwards couldnt lead 5 men into a hot tub filled with naked women, thats how bad of a leader he is' petro you should sell the herm must go t shirt design to them over there in chefs land.
When you start posting benigno quotes there isn't much of an argument. Joe is like most of the fans in that he is completely irrational. If herm couldn't lead then how did he lead us to 3 postseasons? more than ANY other Jets HC in HISTORY? his only 2 bad seasons were years we lost our QBs. he never had a season like last year where the team was mostly healthy. The team was retooled twice and made the postseason each time, he led us from 1-4/2-5 to a DIVISION TITLE.
wow so lets all argue about the beyond mediocre GM job Bradway did which was worsened by a refusal of Herm Edwards to play the few steals Bradway picked. blah blah blah we can argue for days, point in case is. Hes not our GM anymore and since hes been demoted weve made great draft picks and acquisitions. Bradway=GM? fuck no Bradway=Great asset to the scouting dept and player personnel? yes. get the point peoples? this is nothing to talk about until the end of this year even then I'd imagine wed go after someone with a more than succsessful draft record if he were to leave.
Bradway's biggest problem as Gm, is that he never let go of the "scout" in him. Scout's have a habit of falling in love w/ a guy's physique and ignoring the big picture and/or other factors. B radway constantly over analyzed his draft board( trading up for d rob, the Doug Jolley disaster..etc) and became over infatuated w/ individual players. I have no doubt he's a great player evaluator...but there is a reason why many scouts never get big promotions or get put in big decision making roles.
How was the Jolley trade a disaster? I can understand criticizing the Miller and Nugent picks as they haven't worked out BUT everyone loved heath Miller and he has been as mediocre as those 2 players playing w/ a great QB in Pitt and we got some guy named KERRY RHODES as result of that trade and the extra picks we acquired. The Jolley trade was a GREAT one b/c of that.
Junc, you keep saying Drob had a great year in 2004. I hope he would have one great year considering he was sooo highly touted that we moved up to get him. What about his other years? How's he doing in Denver?
I wasn't going to ring in on this, but seeing ny junc post about 10 times in defense of Boobway left me no choice. Junc is a good poster, but junc in my opinion is wrong about Boobway. Terry Dumbway was probably the stupidest GM on record--he is/was a good scout, but he was in way over his head as GM. I'm not going to retrace all of his errors, as many of the posts have already done a good job of that, but instead I wanting to write about 2002-2003--Boobway showed he had no business being a GM. The jets had just won the division in 2002. Our team MVP from 2002, voted by the players, was Coles. That idiot Bradway not only doesn't resign Coles, but tenders him with only first round protection (not first and third as he should have). Washington steals Coles for a first round pick. Boobway then takes that first round pick, and packages it with our first round pick and a 4th round pick and drafts Drob--the biggest waste of money ($40M) in jets history. So for Coles ( our team mvp in 2002), AND our first rounder AND our 4th rounder we got Dslob. Boobway then has to trade ANOTHER of our first rounders (Moss) just to recoup Coles, who he never should have lost. To further make us a laughing stock, he loses KR Chad Morton who had a terrific year in 2002. Morton was also a restricted free agent. He signs an offer sheet with Washington--all we have to do is match it and we keep Morton. Boobway screws up that up somehow. As a lawyer myself, I can confirm it is NOT hard to match another team's offer sheet--basically, all you have to do is photocopy it and change the team name--Boobway could not even figure that out. THEN, when Boobway calls foul and wants to challenge, an arbitrator is proposed--the proposed arbitrator admits he has redskins season tickets--the jets have the right to ask for another arbitrator--BOOBWAY DOESN'T--Incredibly, Bradway AGREES that the arbitrator who has redskin season tickets can decide if Morton goes to the redskins or stays with the jets. SURPRISE--the "neutral" arbitrator with redskin season tickets rules for, you guessed it, the redskins! It is law school 101 that you NEVER EVER agree to any arbitrator who has any interest in the outcome of the arbitration. The entire league wonders if the jets really are asleep at the wheel. Although Morton didn't do much after that, the jets wanted him back for 2003--That whole debacle only shows how in over his head Boobway was. Also stupid was Boobway's later decision to give Pennington $64 M at a time when Chad had never played a full season without injury --The Pats had just given Brady $60 M AFTER Brady had won not 1, but 2 super Bowls--SO Bradway then gives Chad even MORE money than Tom Brady, although Chad had yet to play a full season, and Brady had won 2 super bowls. Go chiefs--take Dumbway (we'll even throw in a draft pick!).
Bradway had a good eye for talent, but the biggest fault in his judgment, as some have mentioned here, was bypassing the trenches in favor of more peripheral needs. The O-Line needed a monster presence for years and years, and he never made even one attempt to get that anchor. He did well with the D-Line, and D-Rob was a valiant attempt without question, but ended up leaving the Jets pretty empty at DT/NT when Ferguson skipped town. The Tannenbaum regime has done well revamping the O-Line, which is any team's biggest need. They also added Jenkins to the D-Line, which is any team's second biggest need. The amount of talent they've added through the draft (Gholston, Mangold, Ferguson, Lowery, Revis, Stuckey, Harris, Keller) is astounding considering it's only been three years. The trades have been money as well.
Winner. The 3 years already beat Bradways "best" 3 years. Tanny knew which direction to go with draft picks.
I'm not sure I'd put Gholston and Stuckey on the "astounding" list yet. Can they do something first? Lowery looks good but he's played 5 games, same with Keller.
Certainly, I'm not putting any of them down. But before we say what a great draft it was, let's play a half a season? A season? When you compare it to Bradway's drafts, wth those guys we're talking about years after the draft. In those guys' first five games people were loaded with optimism and excitement about them, too.
