this team is built to play well now and possibly with a few breaks get a win or 2 in the playoffs. now would getting another win in the playoffs be worth missing out on a guy that could help to continue to fortify this team going into the future. the draft in my eyes is not just about what is needed now but what will build a team into the future. that is why so many people say dont draft for need draft bpa. i tend to believe in that unless the team is set for the next 3 or more years at a certain position, need also comes into the situation when there are a couple guys that are rated pretty close or you have a HUGE need. the question is does teh fo feel that qb is a HUGE NEED this year?
the best way for us to think is that we are building a team that: a. should improve on last years record b.has a good mix of veteran leadership, and young talent c. has a FO that has shown it wants to build a winner d. has an owner who shows he's willing to spend $, to build a winner if you ask me, thats a reason to celebrate.whoever we get will be a good player. let's just relax, and enjoy what appears to be a promising season ahead.
There is a difference between a 'playoff team' and a team that is 'truly contending'. None of Herm Edwards' Jets teams ever truly contended for jack, but they sure made the playoffs a lot. We are not going to be true contenders until the quarterback position is solid, and we aren't even close to that yet.
Oh I'm hopeful and optimistic, just not shortsighted. We can win this year without that #6 being a huge contributor. Thats how well we did in FA. Fixing both the biggest weaknesses in our O and D lines. You use FA to plug holes, which we have done. Now you use the draft to stock talent. Trying to use draft day only for needs is why Bradway succeeded in trashing our depth in a few short years. The number 6 pick is going to comand a huge sum of money. This player needs to be the best talent available because of the large invsetment in him. If Mangini feels that Ryan is the best player available at 6 he should take him. Drafting need over value, espically this high, is often a mistake. Personally I hope Gholston or Chris long makes it there, but I have my doubts about that.
I dont think we are built to win now I think that the Jets right now are in the same state as the knicks. They dont know what they want case in point who is the starting QB Chad or Kellen. Kellen is strong but isnt smart at all. Infact his football IQ i liken to that of Tim Couch.
There's a long way to go until Sept -- especially in terms of adds and subtracts from the roster. I'd say we're 25% of the way through the roster process. Who knows who will stay and who will go before September? IF (and that's still a big one) we are able to improve the OL for running, then this will help us win some games. This will also enable us to pass a little better. However, will we have a speedster OR TWO who can stretch the field and threaten the DBs a little bit? This remains to be seen? Will we be able to STOP the run? Last year it took us a long time to figure that one out. Can we stop the run AND rush the passer effectively (Rub our stomachs, pat our heads, and jump up and down on one foot)...? Maybe we need some more OLs...? Maybe we need some more LBs...? It's nice to have resumes under contract. We're going to undoubtedly get some more through the draft. Some folks on the roster will not pan out and they will be gone and will have to be replaced, from somewhere. A long way to go until September. Should be fun.
abooot.... you are not my guy... Friend!!! you are not my friend... Buddy!!! you are not my buddy... Guy!!!
Not to get on you specifically, but the notion that Peterson completely turned around the Vikings is BS. Not saying he's not a sick player and shit the guy is one of best talents we'll ever see at RB...but the Vikings also have a dominant run blocking O-line that allowed Chester Taylor a 5.4 YPC (compared to AD's 5.6)...they also have arguably the best DT combo in the game...a good young LB corps...solid secondary... On the "We're a win now team" topic...WTF we're one of the youngest teams in the league and the big 3 signings are aged 31 (OLman), 28, and 28.
I didn't say Peterson turned around the Vikes. I was saying it was a smart move to take the not needed running back in AD. He was the best player available and he dominated. Steve Hutchinson is a big reason for both of Minnesota's RB's success...but Faneca is a top level guard as well. McFadden paired with Jones would be a hell of a backfield.
Built to win now... Built to win now...??? I am very afraid we are built to LOSE now... All I heard before free agency season was how WEAK the free agents were this year. So what did the Jets do? Load up on super-expensive free agent contracts, of course! And now, in a year whe there are 5-6 really great players at the top of the draft, there's all this talk of trading DOWN from their draft position... Lose, lose lose. This is all the Jets ever seem to do.
Seriously? All you heard before free agency was how weak the FA class was therefore signing anyone from this class is a bad idea? That really makes sense to you? Cause if it does...wow.
5-6 great players at the top of the Draft? Show me the sure fire Hall of Famer? I'll show you the top 6 and then let's see which ones match up with us: C. Long- Winner- gone before 6 J. Long- Winner- gone before 6 Dorsey- not in a 3-4 Ellis- nope 4-3 guy as well Gholston- too many questions for him to be a lock pick McFadden- even more questions about him to be a lock pick. I don't want to pay 20 Mill in guarantees to them- neither does half this board... Trade Down. Also---- Faneca, Pace, and Jenkins are weak acquisitions? hmmm....
I think you're 100% right. I also think that we'll definitely break 0.500 this year and possibly make the playoffs, but lose the first or second game. The majority of the jets fans are extremely negative. With all the moves during the off season you'd think everyone would be more optimistic. Before the free agency opened up almost everyone on this board agreed that the two biggest needs on the Jets were the OL and the NT position and we significantly upgraded both. Can you imagine what position we would be in if we didn't sign Faneca, Pace, and Jenkins? We would need to draft a quality NT, a quality OG, and a quality OLB, not to mention our other needs like CB, WR, FS, etc. We would be lucky to go 4-12 next year without the new free agents.
I think in our position now, trading down might be a mistake if Gholston or McFadden is there. Sure it's possible that they both are busts, but damn they will be dominant if they make it in the NFL. Plus trading down doesn't necessarily mean that the lower picks wont be busts. The Jets really need to weigh the risk vs. reward of these guys. IMO the possible reward is so high that it will be hard to pass them up for a CB, ILB, or whatever.
in posts in other threads i wrote i did want Gholston first and foremost, but i think with the way the draft is going to fall i think McFadden will fall into our laps. But, they both have a list of questions that follow them, which makes them the boom or bust players they are. I find more upside in Gholston. They are both worth the 6th pick, yet with our roster, i'd like to see alot more depth, and this is an extremely deep class at DL and RB. Trading down is ideal but easier said than done- you can't will another team into swapping picks + compensation.
Truly contending means a dominating D and an O that can grind it out or go over the top and score from any spot on the field. Lets see if Clemens can take a giant step and Stucky turns into a top slot reciever and we can actually stop the run up the middle and have enough speed to stop it around the edge before we talk "Truly" contending. Contending for a wild card is not "Truly" contending just like making the playoffs in the eastern confrence of the NBA isn't "Truly" contending. Chances are pretty good that we will be "Truly" contending for second place in our division with Buffalo.
I think 9 wins is a low estimate for this year. We have an easier schedule than we did in '06 and with the FAs and draft we should easily be as good as that team barring injuries of course. Faneca, Woody, Pace, Jenkins, Harris, Revis, Richardson...none of them were here in '06 and all are better players than those who were here.
