Terrance Williams and Deandre Hopkins would be a nice fit too... But I like what I see in Cordarrelle Patterson he is explosive with moves after the catch. Terrance Williams runs already in a West Coast offense so their will be no change for him and a easy adjustment
Saw something on Twitter and the author suggested the Jets could be onto a new offensive coordinator by 2014. Why? Because Peter King intimated Woody's going to want to go "all-in" on his own Chip Kelly. Would it be Bill O'Brien, David Shaw, or Kevin Sumlin? I'd hate to speculate whether Rex is fired or not but would hate to draft players based on a WCO scheme and then scratch in by 2014. All of that being said, Gio Bernard/Andre Ellington would be interesting targets. I've heard really good things about Wheaton, and that's he's similar to Mike Wallace. Not sure if that's entirely accurate. Patton is a favorite of the scouts so he'd be a nice target as well. Another interesting target at QB would be the kid Zac Dysert out of Miami (Ohio). Would expect his name to start to rise in the next month or so. We'll see.
I think we have more talent around us than Indy while Luck is better than Geno the scheme we may potentially run will help Geno more than hurt him. I just think passing on Geno wouldn't be wise considering how rare it is to find an elite QB and we have a potential stud sitting there who we should try to groom into a stud. Oliver Luck is the AD at WVU and he said Geno Smith has the potential to be an Elite NFL QB and has actually worked with him a little. I want this kid right now at #9, hell I would even entertain moving up if the price was right. I think he's going to be a stud
bash me if you want but I think Sanchez could be quite successful running a WCO. we can't mess up this draft though. we need offensive skill players. Hopkins or Patterson in the second (if available) would be ideal. with Sims, Reed, Kelce, Patton or Wheaton in the third.
we need to plug the O-Line up with a solid Guard prospect and continue to coach up Ducasse and Howard Hill/Kerley/Holmes/Edwards is a nice WR corps We need a TE and this class is loaded and we need a QB we can do all that plus draft a pass rusher and safety for the D
If they're going to go to a WCO they'll have to remake the line, they'll have to draft at least one, maybe two guards who can pull effectively and pass block well. Of course it all depends on what version of the WCO the team goes down, or even if it goes down a true WCO or not. The Pure WCO is fading out and being replaced with a more hybrid approach, an evolution in the system. It will be interesting to see what path the new OC takes.
I'm with you here pal. I just don't think Geno will fall past Chip's pick at #4. And I would rather build our pass rush and OL so that we can make whatever move necessary to get our QB next year, hopefully Teddy Bridgewater or even Johnny Manziel......or even Logan Thomas if he has a good year at VT. While it would be more gimmicky at first because of our lack of playmaker, Geno gives us the ability to run a WCO with a zone-read rushing attack like Robert Griffin III in Washington. He isn't as fast as RGIII, but his arm talent is just as good, and he's a threat with his legs that defenses will have to respect. I'd normally say we'd need a Jamaal Charles type of back to succeed with Geno in the zone-read, but Shanahan and Alfred Morris crapped all over that idea. Mike Goodson could quietly be a great value signing for us, as he is a great zone runner and can do everything pretty well with underrated speed. If Morris can be a demon in the zone-read rushing attack, I'd have to think Goodson would be pretty darn good if we could block for him. The zone-read also opens things up for our receivers, as it will freeze the safeties and get the LBs to take a step up toward the LS. A WR group of Santonio Holmes, Stephen Hill, and Jeremy Kerley isn't too different from RGIII's Pierre Garcon, Leonard Hankerson, and Santana Moss. Our early 2nd round pick could be used on a pass rusher if a great one has fallen, and we may be forced to take Tank Carradine even though he is injured because he could be great off the edge. If no pass rusher is available, I've seen many mocks with DJ Fluker being available at this juncture and we may have to take him anyway. Fluker would be a great starter for us on the right side, either at RT or RG. Hopefully we can stick him at RT and find a serviceable RG for the vet minimum in FA or in the mid-rounds. 3rd round could bring in Geno's favorite target from WVU -- Stedman Bailey -- just like the Colts brought Fleener in for Luck. Bailey could work the middle with Kerley and should continue to be one of Smith's favorites. 4th round....Marcus Lattimore anyone? He can take a redshirt year behind Mike Goodson/Bilal Powell and be our Alfred Morris (but much better if he's fully healthy) for years. Or we can take a right guard here.
WCO effects on our FA: Think Keller is now more likely to come back because he's shown himself to be a decent receiver. Also, it doesn't look like Jets will grab a TE in the first few rounds of this draft. Most of the successful WCO offenses I'm pulling from googling have a receiving TE also. Hands of Stone Shonn Greene is likely gone. He's shown pretty bad hands as a receiver and FB/RB should be able to catch in WCO. Under Andy Reid there was heavy emphasis on screens which hurts Greene imho. Think this forces Jets to draft a RB in third or fourth round. Or they can turn to McKnight for a bigger role. If they decide McKnight is the guy to platoon with Bilal then perhaps they'll draft a FB with decent hands in later rounds?
agreed. we'll have to address OLine early, possibly taking two linemen in our first 3 picks. I would love a Warmack/Barrett combo inthe first and second. if we can find a team to trade down with in the first, that would be ideal. maybe even try moving Cromartie for a second.
I'm only taking DK back if he comes cheap. pairing him up with someone like Lutzenkirchen in the later rounds would be a step in the right direction.
If Geno, Jarvis, and Damontre are off the board then we should move back to the late teens and pick up an extra 2nd. We could rebuild our O-line with our first 3 picks and once again have one of the best lines in the league. I also think when it actually comes down to it, Warmack is going in the 20-25 range. So many defenders are going to get teams attention + become smitten with them imo. 1) Chance Warmack, OG, Bama 2a) DJ Fluker, RT, Bama 2b) Jon Cooper, OG, UNC Then you're talking LT: D'Brick LG: Warmack C: Mangold RG: Cooper RT: Fluker Goodness gracious. Then 3rd round pray to god Tank Carradine falls to here because of injury, grab him and stash him as our new strongside 3-4 OLB, and 4th round we can take a talented TE like Jordan Reed to replace Keller. I also quite like Dion Sims as an underrated all-around good prospect. WCO may not be his best fit, but he's got natural hands and has crazy potential as a blocker. Also underrated 4.6-4.7 speed. Like a receiving version of Brandon Pettigrew. I'm just picturing that O-line with Sims as the add-on blocker. That's amazing power football.
I agree, #9 is to high, and we would have to trade back for Austin. I completely forgot about Robinson, and I can see where you are going with that idea. Nice Thought!
He never folded he threw less interceptions all year then some of these guys did in one game! There defense gave up 50 points a game and with no running game he was hopeless. If that causes him to drop to #9 consider it a blessing IMO.
Some very unrealistic thinking here. Lets talk about reality for a moment. Geno never gets close to 9. Chance doesn't make it to the 20s. Tank is gone in the second. Stedman Bailey is gone before the Jets pick in the third.
I think your right on the first 3, but there is a decent chance, not great but decent, that Bailey is there in the third...just depends on how the chips fall in round 2.
I think you're only right on #1 for certain. Offensive guards are not highly valued. David DeCastro was supposed to be the best OG prospect since Steve Hutchinson in last year's draft. He fell to the 20s. AND he had a bust of a rookie year before getting hurt, almost holding off the bust status as a 1st rounder at least for a little. People can look at that and see other teams getting starting rookie OGs in the 2nd and 3rd and wait. Happens every year that someone says look how good this OG is, he's a 1st rounder, and then falls to the 2nd. And I'm not even saying Warmack falls to the 2nd, I'm saying he falls to late teens-25 which is where we can trade back to and take him. Many teams will rationalize that they can pass on Warmack in the 1st and get Larry Warford, Jon Cooper, Barrett Jones, or Alvin Bailey in the 2nd and get an impact player in the 1st instead. That should help Warmack fall into that area until he is BPA and someone just decides to take him. Tank Carradine needs to prove his health before cementing a high draft stock. He blew out his knee, and if he doesn't have the explosiveness he exhibited at FSU then he's basically worthless. Because teams will be taking on that risk without getting to work him out before the draft, he could easily fall to the mid rounds. Injured players who don't get to work out because they blew out their knee playing in positions that rely on explosiveness to succeed in the NFL typically fall. That's just a fact. I'm hoping Carradine falls, but he could get snatched up late in the 2nd by a contender who can afford to use a high pick and wait on him. Stedman Bailey gone in the Top 8 picks of the 3rd round? For a sub-6 ft receiver who doesn't have blazing speed or agility? He isn't going to blow anyones mind at the combine and he played in a spread in college with a terrible defense so there were a million passes thrown. I agree he'll make a good slot WR in the NFL, but I think he gets taken in the mid 3rd to mid 4th. 1st round is probably reserved for Keenan Allen and Cordarelle Patterson, or maybe just one of them, and 2nd round is for either of them plus Justin Hunter, Tavon Austin, DeAndre Hopkins, Robert Woods. Fringe 2nd round to late 3rd round would include any of them if they slide and also Terrance Williams, Da'Rick Rogers, Markus Wheaton, and Quinton Patton. Late 3rd to late 4th would then to me include Stedman Bailey, Kenny Stills, and Cobi Hamilton. All of the guys before Bailey have either a size advantage or a speed advantage, or both, and higher upside per most scouts and reviews. A team would have to fall in love with Bailey and decide they want to invest a 1st or 2nd rounder on a slot WR without blazing speed. Again, I think he'll be good, but I think you have his draft slot wrong.
instead of making a whole new thread, I've decided to post a WCO mock draft in here. first things first, we trade Tebow (reports going around that the Bears are interested) for a 7th. we resign Keller for cheap, if he wants more money we let him go. Shonn Greene is gone, not much use in a WCO. we keep Sanchez and sign Matt Moore as his backup. Trade Cromartie to Detroit, Houston or TB for a 2 and a 4th. let's begin. 01: Chance Warmack (OG, Alabama) - if we can trade back it would be ideal, but I have a hard time finding a team to do so. so we just take Warmack at 9 overall. with a WCO we are going to need an OLine redux, we could possibly be losing two guards so their replacements are mandatory to get early. Warmack is the best offensive linemen in the draft class. 02: Barrett Jones (G/T/C, Alabama) - our OLine problems are solved. Barrett Jones will play RG and Warmack will play LG, along with Mangold, Brick and Howard we'll have the best OLine in the NFL. Barrett is a versatile player, he could even play RT, and we could slide Austin Howard to the inside, maybe it works out better for him. 02: DeAndre Hopkins (WR, Clemson) - receivers are a must for this team. in the past season it's been a revolving door in our organization at the receiver position. Hopkins added with Holmes, Hill, Kerley and possibly Edwards is a huge plus for Sanchez. he's a deep threat and could also play the slot. NOTE: I'm not saying this will happen, thus why I didn't pick him. but if by some unforseen consequence Manti Te'o is available in the second, we should take him. we need more linebackers. 03: Chase Thomas (OLB, Stanford) - another need for this team is linebackers. we are going to be cutting Scott and Pace to save money. Chase as of right now is a mid-second/early third round pick. he's always causing pressure to opposing QB's and has a knack for causing turnovers. his motor is exceptional. the kind of player Rex would love in his defense. 04: Trevardo Williams (OLB, Connecticut) - Trevardo will be our sack master. Tre had 24 sacks in his junior/senior year combined. I expect him to have a huge game at the Senior Bowl, so his stock will probably skyrocket. 04: Darius Slay (CB, Mississippi State) - Slay becomes our new starting CB along with Revis. Kyle Wilson moves over to safety (where I think he's better suited) Slay is a man coverage corner which Rex loves. 05: Kerwynn Williams (RB, Utah State) - Kerwynn is a player the Jets are interested in. I think he could be a factor in a WCO, he has good hands. he had a great East/West Shrine game and he's the kind of running back we need. Kerwynn along with Powell and McKnight is a power/speed running combo. 06: Philip Lutzenkirchen (TE, Auburn) - we pick up Lutz late as a backup to Keller. Lutz is a good run blocker and is also a good receiver in his own right. 07: Tavarres King (WR, Georgia) - just another weapon for Sanchez. we need a good group of receivers so we can be better prepared for our mistakes of last season. King gives us a good depth. I dont expect Holmes to be around after next season, and King has the potential to do great things in the NFL. 07: Jeff Braun (OT, West Virginia) - a depth move. I don't know much about him, other then he's a reliable pass-protector. some free agent signings: - Jaz Reynolds (WR, Oklahoma) / has a lot of troubles off the field but if he cleans up his act he will get a chance to show off the skill he has. - Kapron Lewis-Moore (DE, Notre Dame) / suffered an ACL injury in the BCS nat title game. adds depth to our DLine. - Caleb Sturgis (K, Florida) / becomes our new kicker. I like Folk but he drives me absolutely crazy sometimes. I like Strugis, he has a good leg and was a high point for Florida this season. - Washaun Ealey (RB, Jacksonville State) / here's a name a lot of you probably never heard. Ealey will most likely go undrafted, but he had an excellent 2012. 13 total TD's with close to 1000 total yards. he's a versatile back. - Braden Wilson (FB, Kansas State) / it's hard to say if Wilson will get drafted, but I'm going to bet on no because of how undervalued the FB position is. Lex Hilliard is good at times but for the most part sucks. Wilson was a solid blocker for the Wildcats rushing attack. - Kenny Tate (OLB, Maryland) / a depth move for our linebacker corps. Tate had a quiet season, he missed the first 3 games and had 4 sacks this year with 3 of them being against Florida State.
How about 2.5 to 3M for 3 seasons? http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/tight-end/ Think it's enough to keep him & not enough to impact Jets cap-wise. I can only find the top 10 salaries for TE online so I'm guessing this proposal will give Keller a little better than average starting salary @ TE. I'm not much of a Keller fan either but this salary seems reasonable to me. Especially with TE not looking good this draft & Jets having so many other holes to address in draft this season & next season.
One thing about this draft and WCO is making me think about OL blocking schemes. It seems like Zone Blocking accompanies WCO but Vlad has been a dud in Zone Blocking. He made some progress last season but that's in another blocking scheme. If he can't handle the transition back & Moore is gone then I'm thinking Jets will really need to upgrade Guard more than OT. So Guard gets higher priority in the draft. I'm not seeing a OT good enough to push Howard inside unless Jets use a first rounder on OL. Which makes me a little worried because I've got doubts the 2nd/3rd picks on DL/LB can start and there's gonna be big holes there once LB are cut. Also, we don't know Howard can handle Guard so a big hole might still be there on OL. ******** If a second & fourth can be acquired by trading Cro then the WCO is gonna get a huge boost in talent. It would be a really ballsy move. I'm thinking it would have to be close to draft time because Jets will go back & forth negotiating with Revis to determine their odds of keeping him. I'm in agreement with you that Jets should jump all over Te'o if he somehow drops in the second. Te'o really hurt himself by skipping these senior bowl games. Some good performances there would've undone some of the damage from fake girlfriend hoax.
