That's a lot of good information. I just got tired of watching Bart look completely lost in 2011 at home and well let's not even talk about 2012. Bart, Pace, cactus and even Harris time to time all looked lost and reeling when the Pats went to Hurry up. Even Rex was too slow to keep up. IMO Rex never seems to recognize or build effective game plan for that kind of play. Instead or rushing Brady when he is throwing the quickest 3 step drop imaginable, try backing up and picking him off.
Um, in how many of those games was Revis coming off major knee surgery? Apples to oranges. If nothing suggests Revis will be 100% by game 1, then yeah, we should test him early. If Revis was 100% nobody would be saying to attack him. And yeah, older aging LBers are going to struggle against hurry up offense. That's just how it is. It's not because Rex doesn't recognize it, it's because our linebackers were old and becoming one dimensional, and he can't substitute the players caught in the bad matchups. Almost every team in the NFL struggles to stop NE's hurry up.
better yet, have a couple of jersey guys kidnap freeman, then dress up el taco loco in his uni. hmy: then, just tell our defense to prepare to score touchdowns from all the turnovers. :shit:
I don't want us to "throw at" Revis per se, however I am intrigued to (hopefully) watch a surgically repaired Tone vs a surgically repaired Revis. Those two know each other and their techniques very well, I think Tone could sneak away a few times. Whether Sanchez can find him at that time is another story.... Regardless, with this depth chart the game plan should be focused around establishing the run and opening play-action... pretty much every Sunday.
It can be. There are many variations and every guy has a different philosophy.... I don't expect MM's pass 60% of the time play-calling.
I guarantee you. NO. That is NOT how WCO is run. WCO thrives on the threat of both running and passing on any down; It is less robust than Sid Gillman's vision, in that Gillman wanted to force the defense to defend every inch of the zone behind; in WCO, the vertical aspect is not as strongly emphasized as it is in Gillman's offense, but still the offense has to be able to stretch the defense horizontally, and get sufficient yardage on the ground when the defense plasters the passing lane. Establishing a run can [happen] - as you look at it in retrospect, but that shouldn't be the first thought when you carry out the game on any given Sunday. Trying to set up the run works in defense's favor, as it takes the element of unpredictability away.
The really successful grind it out teams do their grinding after they establish a comfortable lead. The good but not great grind it out teams do their grinding in an even game state or with a small lead. The bad grind it out teams just establish the run and use that unless they're in a deep hole. The Jets have been in the middle category for virtually the entire period since Bill Parcells took the reins. In 1998 and 2002 they were in the first category because the passing game was working well enough to give them decent leads a lot of the time.
It should be with this depth chart. Rigidity in philosophy is fading, it's about adaptability now. I think we will run the ball a ton. In 2004 we ran the ball 527 times vs 438 passes, using the WCO playbook. Play to your strengths.
In 2004 we rode the 4th best defense in the NFL to a 10-6 record, and that was not about Chad getting hurt because the Jets went 2-1 in Quincy Carter's starts. There is maybe one team in the last decade that has had a great record playing grind it out football and that was the Steelers in Roethlisberger's rookie year. They had the #1 defense that year and the #2 rushing attack. Grinding football is no longer a way to have a great season. You can have a good season that way but you cap yourself really badly when you decide to limit yourself on offense to keep the ball out of the other team's hands. If the defense is not very good you cap yourself at mediocrity.
Even with this depth chart, NO. If RBs are that much better, Jets should learn to go with 1. deep fade and 2. Texas route combination. If the LBs don't vacate the middle zone, then you KNOW Hill has 1 on 1 chance outside. That has to be the theme - 1. decoy routes from WRs that is legitimate and 2. RBs either running the ball (won't happen unless Jets can establish some passing attack) or 3. RBs receiving the ball underneath/flat. As you can see, you don't HAVE to run the ball to establish positive yardage in WCO. And they don't try to force themselves into that mold either. Neither should you. P.S. Last, but not the least, Chad Pennington never played in WCO. He did learn quarterbacking from Paul Hackett, but his WCO ties stop there. The system he ran is Erhardt/Perkins system that Bill Parcells installed back in 1997. [Yes. That is the same system Brady is using up there in Foxboro, and highly likely, the system he ran in Dolphins uniform.]
We don't have a choice though, we have to run the ball to be successful with this roster. The D will most likely do their part.
What happens when nobody is open? Mprningwood won't be calling route combinations that this league hasn't seen before. We will have to run the ball to be successful imo. Whether the run sets up the pass or vice versa is irrelevant to me but I'm certain that we won't be successful if we can't run the ball forcing a stacked box to help out our shitty weapons.
That is highly unlikely - but if that does happen, 1. the QB throws away or 2. if he sees a daylight, he runs. He shouldn't be taking unnecessary risks. Clear? P.S. If the defenders are sitting in the flat/shallow middle, AND deep, then that means the intermediate zone has a huge void. Most defenses will plaster the intermediate zone and deep zone and allow short yardage passes, as 3~4 of these intermediate passes brings the offense straight into FG range. Also, I told you that [nobody being open] is highly unlikely for a reason - WCO achieves horizontal stretch by WR deployment alone, so they don't try to stretch a defender in the same depth. The QB will have a read in all three depths on one side, and one short and either middle or deep on the other. Unless the defense is playing 5 man-to-man defenses, it is theoretically impossible to seal out one particular depth. And if all 5 releases have 1 defender on them, then the QB has a chance to cherry pick the match up that is most favorable. If one of them or more is doubled, then the QB has a chance to scramble for a good gain. Moreover, if the QB keeps running, then the defense will have to assign one defender (usually MLB) to spy on QB - that is one less cover man. As you will know, stopping the offense with 1-on-1 coverage at all phase of the game is very hard in today's NFL. (Which is why Revis was so valuable.) If the receivers start setting a pick or rub, you will see a receiver springing out to the green pasture - the QB will be able to hit them in no time.
^You think Ds in this league play it the same every time? Doubt it. The example you gave is one combination, if they are in man cover there won't be a giant crevice in the D. We will have to run the ball to take strain off the skill players once they can't beat press cover, and that will probably happen a lot. Whether they set out to pass it is irrelevant, the run will allow them to do that. Edit: I'm well aware of how the WCO works, what I'm saying is we will probably be forced to deviate due to personnel. We used run to open play action under Chad/Hackett because Chads arm limited downfield shots. They adapted.
The argument for going run heavy this year is that the Jets go with Geno Smith from the outset or very close to the beginning of the season and they decide to limit his throws dramatically because he's not 100% ready yet. If Sanchez starts there's no point to going run heavy. You just let him run MM's WCO until he either proves out in it or fails and is replaced by Smith. The Jets also do not have the backs to go run heavy. They don't have Curtis Martin. They don't have Thomas Jones. They just don't have the pieces necessary to run the ball 600 times. If they start with Chris Ivory under a heavy load he is probably 80% likely to end the season on IR and the ending could come at any point during the season. The choices get worse from there not better.
TB's LBs Foster and David, good vs. run, so-so vs pass. Will see how much nickle/dime packages come into play with Schiano vs Mornhinweg's WCO. As for Revis, I suspect he'll be back in top form but for now nothing's on the table before the pre-season game eye tests. Jets biggest challenge may lie on defense facing TB's OL with guards Nicks & Joseph back healthy for 2013. Fortunately besides Doug Martin not much depth at RB with Lagarrette Blount and DJ Ware gone, replaced by Brian Leonard and a pair of 6th & 7th round picks.
The Shanahans use a run-heavy WCO. You don't absolutely have to pass 60% of the time to utilize this style.
This explains it.... "Another aspect that makes the West Coast offense one of the most difficult to master is that it requires a deeper connection between quarterback and receiver, and an ability to communicate mid-play. On any given route, a receiver has as many as three options; a hitch, a slant and a fly, depending on what the defense is showing. The quarterback is responsible for recognizing the defense and the reaction of the receiver to it and adjusting the route if needed. This explains the communication mistakes that commonly occur on West Coast offensive plays where the quarterback throws to a spot that the receiver is running away from."(wiki) .....and the spot that the DB, Safety, or LBer (or defensive lineman) is running into!!!
