+1 Good point, if we want to look more like the Texans or Colts 4-3 4 man pass rushing defense we are definitely going to have to allow more points and generate less sacks.
Ha hahaha. Exactly what I've been saying. Actually, there might be something to this. In games where we allow 10 pts or less we're 0-2. That's the point. This is a team that just beat itself. Get over it. Weird stuff happens on any given Sunday...when this team plays its 'A' game, we win. No questions asked. Look at the New England game, some of the Miami game and the Buffalo game. This team will be so jacked for that second NE game, plus we'll probably be 9-2. Odds are the Pats will be 9-2 at best at that point. I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but seriously, we're 5-2.
Problem is when they only send three-five they don't have two to three blockers taking up Kris Jenkins instantly, so the edge usually has a chip block from a back. And Calvin Pace really doesn't have that quickness off the edge to be a great blitzer.
I would love to be able rush the QB like the Colts do but not at the expensive of what Rex can do with the back 7 on D. They have built the secondary the last few years so now hopefully they can find a legit pass rusher in the draft. The defense has been built backwards based on the guys we had when Rex got here but the Scheme is slowly being figured out. The beauty of Rex's scheme is that even if teams do have an idea of what's coming it still forces the QB to make quick decisions, usually into tight coverage and only a select few in the league are good enough to make those plays for an entire game. A legit pass rusher would only open more options for Rex and Pettine to play around with throughout the game so it does need to be a priority if they want a truly suffocating defense.
Passrusher is our weakness, but the D is still solid as it is. Our scheme compensates for the lack of a top passrusher.
The biggest downfall for our pass rush happened when Kris Jenkins went down last year. Think back to those early season games against the Pats, Texans, Titans.. they were hitting the QB on like every pass play. Without Jenkins in there now occupying at least 2 blockers and collapsing the pocket, it's harder for the rest of the rushers to get in there. The whole year last year the Jets D played great, but the pass rush was considerably weaker after Jenkins went down. In terms of a true pass rusher, we simply don't have one. With the Ravens, Rex had Suggs. Pace is a different kind of player than Suggs. I guess the closest we have is an old Jason Taylor, who just simply doesn't have much left in the tank and definitely doesn't command a double team. It's a shame Gholston is such a disgrace.. if he was what he was supposed to be he could have really elevated this defense to a completely new level.
After this thread, I know JetDynasty is fucking weak and needs to dine with a friar. / channeling Electric/MBGreen Seriously. Someone needs a reality check on whats going on. OMG THE DEFENSE ISN'T PLAYING GOD LIKE THEY DO ON MADDEN!!!111
Adding an elite pass rusher would help the Jets big time. Then again, doesn't this comment apply to everyone in Football? That's like saying adding an Ace starter to a baseball team will really help. Those teams which don't need to blitz to generate pass rush have an advantage over the Jets D. However, the Jets make it up by having a lock down corner who doesn't need help. If Revis & Cromartie can play their A games, then they'll have 2 corners which don't need help. Teams which generate good pass rush without blitzing use extra DB to pull off what the Jets DB do with fewer ppl. Jets D is just as effective but doesn't follow the same formula other top defenses follow. === Don't get me wrong, when I see teams generating constant pass rush without blitzing ... I am impressed. Texans, Lions, Vikings, Giants DL are really fun to watch. However, those fans are watching the Jets D thinking .... DAMN, wish we had those kind of CB so that we can just blitz like crazy & get away w/ it.
Again, I never said a word to discredit our defense on the whole, and I don't agree with some other critical posters on this thread. I was merely observing a relative weak area in contrast to two excellent pass rushing teams and suggesting that improvement there would reap us the greatest benefit of any defensive upgrade. Honestly, I wish we could have seen the 2010 D with Jenkins on the field, because his swallowing of two blockers might be exactly what we needed...
If we were able to just rush four or five and have pressure like that with our back end... my god we'd shutting out half the teams we faced. But I love our D i just wish every now and then on 3rd and long we could let both our safeties just ball hawk rather than blitz or be 1on1.
Is there anything else to complain about? I'm surprised I haven't seen, a "I told you so" thread about Nick Folk. I'm pretty sure I missed it, because some putz must've have created one. Right now we are 15th in the league in sacks, our team is about creating bad plays, forcing a bad throw due to pressure or coverage. I think we saw signs of our D coming to form in the GB game, Rodgers had his worst game of the year. But no lets bitch about not leading the league in every category. We are tied for 2nd in fumbles recovered. 2nd in points allowed, 7th in opponent passer rating, 6th in total yards allowed, 7th in yards allowed per game, 4th in rush yards allowed per game, 2nd in opponent yards per carry, 2nd in rush TD's allowed, and so on, there are so many categories to look at the positive.
The OP is right on the money. It amazes me that year after year, we just can't seem to put together a D-Line that generates pressure. And I'm not just talking about sacks. I watch other teams, and it seems that almost all of them consistently get in the QB's face more than we do. Why is that? In next year's draft I'm all for using the first 3 picks on D-Linemen because it is by far the weakest link on our team. If you named the top 50 pass rushing linemen in the NFL, would you even get to a Jet??? If so, when?
