Most years the team that wins the World Series isn't the clear cut best team in baseball. The Phillies obviously weren't last year. Some years, it's clear even that the team that wins it has no business being crowned "best in the game", like the 82 win Cardinals in '06. The point is, you don't know what is going to happen in the playoffs. Had Rivera gotten three clean outs in '01, done the same in '04 in game 4, or if that Tony Clark hit in '04 in game 5 took a normal bounce, the Yankees would probably be looking at multiple championships this decade. I call bullshit on this one. The Yankees, even without winning a world series, are easily one of the top 5 teams of this decade. Are you telling me that every season from 2000 and up has been a joyless pursuit in futility just because they haven't actually won the whole thing yet? There's plenty of enjoyment to be found in a pennant race and deep playoff run. I'm sure a diehard Pirates fan would take a 92 win season and early playoff exit any day.
You've convinced me. The season's over. When's football start? indeed. Look, you can focus on the bad shit (although Joba's still got a 3.89 ERA... not sure I'd call him "very questionable," and the middle relief has actually been damn good since Veras and Edwar stopped getting innings... Roberson, Aceves, Coke, and Hughes... and now Bruney... that's a very effective pen). So like I said, you can focus on the bad shit... and apparently completely make up bad shit if it suits your mood... or you can take the bad shit with the good shit. It's up to you. If you guys WANT to have a bitch fest, go right ahead. I'm sure any children you have or will have can learn a valuable lesson about how to handle adversity from all this complaining. Never mind that it's indirect, vicarious adversity.
So you're calling bullshit on something I didn't say? Of course it's fun watching my teams win. The Yankees were fun for me to watch when they weren't winning pre-'96. But I watch because I want to see them win, and did so back then too. I would think a Pirates fan is constantly hoping that this year is their year where everything finally falls into place. Obviously the Yankees' situation is different than a team like the Pirates these days, but the goal remains the same; win it all. I'm not denying I love watching my team win, but I get pissed off at every loss. Last season's Jets were fun to watch, but in hindsight, they sucked. And I'm used to losing seasons with them.
If the Yankees put a team full of kids on the field for low$$ in the name of rebuilding,i would enjoy the progress and understand the wins and losses. That is NOT what we have here. We have a very expensive team that is put together for winning. Losing to the nationals is a disgrace. I realize it's 1 series and it hapeens,but not after getting swept by our hated rival,and only beating the mets because someone made a once in a life time drop. When the Yankees spend that money,they are raising the fans expectations. When they charge what they do to get into a game,those fans deserve a team that is going to beat the likes of the Nats. They deserve lame ass bitch tits to do what hes paid to do. I can't fucking stand him anymore. i wanted Crede
This is a big part of it too. Whether the Yankees like it or not, they've raised expectations by spending so much money. And players raised the expectations on themselves by taking it. Alex Rodriguez makes an unbelievable amount of money. In return, he's supposed to play like the most talented player in the game. Sorry if you don't believe that's fair, but them's the breaks. He's not hitting at all right now. If we hadn't pulled off the Teixeira signing, Nick Swisher would be the full-time first baseman for the foreseeable future. His OPS might still be pretty high, but that doesn't excuse his absolutely stupid baserunning, and mediocre outfield play. As jonnyd would say, this team is loaded with DHs. To compound that, our DH isn't hitting. Matsui is 7 for his last 32 (.218) with two home runs. The only thing Matsui currently "can" do is hit, and he's not doing it. We're having conversations about ace-level pitchers where people are saying "let him work it out." There is a lot of money invested in this team to be playing this poorly. Getting beat is one thing. I could deal with losing two of three to Boston. I'd be upset, sure, but I'd live. But getting swept repeatedly? Losing a series to the league's worst team? A billion dollars should buy you more than that. Imagine if George were still the Boss.
You know, I'm really enjoying this discussion since joining in on this forum. It's so great. When I read Alio's posts, they bring out the things that piss me off about this Yankee team. When I read Cappy and dubagedi's posts, they bring me back down to earth and make me look at things with a different perspective. As a dude who just joined this forum and is learning a great deal, I just wanted to let you guys know I appreciate both sides of the argument as I seem to switch back and forth on how I feel about this team.
Is it your money? I can understand George (or Hank/Hal) getting upset about the team's performance after spending all that money. But you? Why? Did you shell out big bucks to go sit at a game? Okay... did they win or lose that game... that's what you can be upset about. But watching them on TV? Who cares? I go back to what I said before... it's like some of you have never watched a baseball season unfold before. You have demands that make a four-year-old sound like a reasonable negotiator. I think all of you should watch this and take it to heart: [YOUTUBE]Oof60kDFqAc[/YOUTUBE]
And when you read Don's posts, you have an uncontrollable and irrational impulse to take a shower with a family of porcupines?
Glad I can help out your bipolaredness. Dierking will tell you I know all about it, so it's nice to have some company. And that's exactly it, it would be my money, if I could afford to attend a game. However, with all the ludicrous salaries, on top of this new Stadium, I can't afford to bring my family anymore. So it matters how much they spend, and how much of that is wasted cash. Every dollar that doesn't perform is one more preventing me from being there inexcusably. You should really think about it before telling everyone else they act like children.
So you'd rather be a fan for a Pittsburgh-like team? You can get cheap tickets there. This all misses the point, though. It doesn't matter how much is "wasted" cash, because it's not your money and it's already spent. You mean to tell me that you think you're entitled to a 105-win season every year because Hank/Hal/George decided to throw a lot of money at players you disagree with and because they raised prices in a new stadium? Okay. But here's the thing... even IF you feel that way, that has no bearing on the team's actual performance. It's one thing to not like the money being doled out, or to disagree with the contracts, or to think the new stadium is outrageously expensive. It's another to then take those complaints and expect recompense from the team in its performance. It doesn't work like that. I could pay $40 million to Jack Wilson, and he'd still be a middling IFer. Now, I don't think the Yanks are built like that, and I think people are making some rather ridiculous overreactions to the team because of a handful of games. Okay. *thinks about it* People need to stop acting like children. Fans who have allegedly watched dozens of seasons of baseball should - in my opinion - have a better grip over their emotions. You don't have to like the outcome... but have some perspective, for Christ's sake. I hate when the Yanks lose. Hate it. But I deal with it. It's a part of the game. How many cliches are there out there to deal with it? "Even the best teams lose sixty games per year." "The best hitters in baseball fail seven out of ten times." And so on. The Yankees have a far better team than most, and it's a far better team than some people here seem to think it is based on ten days' worth of games. Look, if you just want to bitch and moan, that's one thing (of course, I'd still refer you to the Mr. Brando above). But I'm sorry... I don't agree with your opinion of the team's talent, or your opinion of the team's "problems."
Cappy, the fat man made a good point about JOba today, saying the only reason his ERA is still in teh 3's is because of his gay pitch count and the fact that they yank him the first sign of trouble...after the third inning of course. Joba is VERY questionable right now. Where the fuck is his fastball?? How many runs is he going to walk in? Where is his control? His last two starts were garbage. He doent look anything like the guy we were all very, very excited about a year ago. If you dont admit that than youre lying to yourself. Joba is QUESTIONABLE right now.
He's definitely been inconsistent... but the argument about his ERA is ridiculous. It's an earned run AVERAGE. It takes into account that he's been pulled early. Unless FatMike thinks he can predict what would have happened later in the game, and that this is somehow different from any other pitcher in the league. Has he pitched well in the past two starts? Not really. The stupidity of the fat man's argument, though, is that putting him in the bullpen solves none of these issues.
