Was this game Rex's final act?

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  1. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Well if we had an OC worth a damn, Smith should start and get a chance to learn/develop. If he makes mistakes now it doesn't matter. But we don't have a decent OC, so you may have a point. At least make Vick earn his paycheck.
     
  2. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    MM and David Lee are very accomplished coaches. Not the best for sure, but capable. Smith doesn't have it and is completely shell shocked at this point. Vick's a bum.
    i'm not putting that on them.

    I would normally go Smith, but he's not learning or developing at this point. Every game he plays seems to damage him more.
    He should sit at this point and learn from watching.
     
  3. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    there were changes to be made. some screens, play action. continuing to run into a 9 man box wasn't the only option.
    coaching staff was too stubborn last nite.
     
  4. NCJetsfan

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    While MM is the best OC the Jets have had in a good while, that's not saying anything. This season has proved to me, that he isn't really that competent or good as an OC. He's done a lousy job in developing Smith and his playcalling and game planning are extremely questionable. I had high hopes for David Lee, but at this point, I can't point to anything great he has done, either. His major contribution to the NFL seems to have been developing the Wildcat. What has he really done with the Jets?

    You may have a point that playing him now with Rex, MM and Lee may be just damaging him. If the Jets hope to salvage anything with him, they might be better off giving him the rest of the season off, and telling him to go hang out at the beach for the next month and clear his mind from this aborted season.
     
  5. TNJet

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    Fire Rex and let Karl Dunbar coach them. He coaches the defensive line.. aka ..the only part of our team that doesn't suck.
     
  6. TNJet

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    Because he resembles Rob Ryan.
     
  7. Hobbes3259

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    Rex is the guy...absent that...everyone goes, and you treat the jets like Hercules and the Augean stables,,,
     
  8. CJLang

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    It's the only part of the team that's stocked with good players. Hard to say if he is a good coach or if he just doesn't fuck them up.
     
  9. NYCBillsFan

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    One question for the Jets fans here, are the Jets QB's not allowed to audible? You can argue running the ball too much, but if a QB sees an obvious mismatch, isn't it their responsibility to change the play to take advantage of that mismatch?
     
  10. Big Blocker

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    Smith sucks. He does that all by himself. Plenty of people around he NFL felt that way before he came to the Jets. It's why he dropped to the second round with so many teams in need of Qb's. Why you feel a need to blame his awfulness on the CS is far from clear.
     
  11. BrowningNagle

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    Geno Smith can't wrap his head around how time zones work - with a week to spare and 23 years on planet earth. You really think he can figure out the right play to audible to at the line in less than 30 seconds?
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Geno Smith is, was, and will always be trash. No coaching staff was going to make him a decent QB.
     
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    or maybe he is so ugly that they are afraid to fuck up.
     
  14. Pocket Jet

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    The night of the draft was telling...no one wanted him, but sure enough, he was around long enough to entice the Jets. The kid is as dumb as a rock, something that the scouts from other teams knew and I am sure the Jets still DON'T know.
     
  15. NYCBillsFan

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    I'm not really asking if he would call the right play, but rather, does the Jets organization handcuff him into "Do as we say!" type play calling? Is it only Geno, or is it the QB position?
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    I doubt he's able to call audibles, everything has been pre-determined prior to the snap. Including where Geno has to throw the football.

    Wasn't that way with Mark in 2010 and in 2011.
     
  17. JetsUK

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    That's probably true of 90% of coaches TBH - like most head coaches - give them a top 10 QB and watch them be great!
     
  18. BacktoQueens

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    would it surprise you that the Jets are the second least penalized team on defense this year?
    that's right, 66 penalties. compare that to Harbaugh's 'disciplined' 49ers with 94 penalties.
    Penalties on defense has never been an issue under Ryan. The whole undisciplined often penalized defense concept is a complete fabrication.

    In terms of you complaining about 322yds let up a game.....that is actually good.
    7th least yds let up in the league to be exact.
    letting up less than 300yds on avg per game is extremely difficult to do in today's NFL. Only 1 team is allowing less than 300 yds this year, the Seahawks.
    Ryan has accomplished less than 300yds avg per game 6 different seasons. In 2009 we were averaging only 250yds per game, which is outstanding. In fact he has only finished outside the top 10 just one time, when he finished 11th. Dick Lebeau is the only other defensive coach anywhere near that level of consistency.

    Has the D been very good this season? No. I believe we lead the league in passing touchdowns given up.
    this is an anomaly for Ryan, who has never had this issue in his years of coaching D. you simply cannot hide an entire secondary no matter what coach you are.

    Your only valid point is the lack of forcing turnovers. As good as some of his defenses have been, forcing more turnovers would have made them dominant. that's an area that needs improvement.

    If you think this guy is not a good defensive coach, i suggest you watch more non-Jet games to get a frame of reference on defense in the NFL.
    I guarantee you he will be offered DC jobs if he doesn't choose TV....and those offers won't be based on myth.
     
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  19. Wahoo

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    ^Your reliance on stats is understandable, as seemingly more and more judgment is based on what numbers say, not what happens on the field. Take penalties - there is a big difference between a 1st and 10 defensive offsides and a 3rd and 17 pass interference or personal foul. The Jets commit a ton of the latter, leading to extended drives and lost games. I noticed you glossed over the actual performance comments, like giving up leads and not showing up for big games. Those happpened. I saw them happen.

    If you want to understand the problem, get ahold of the Newsday article "Rex Ryan proud to be a player's coach". It is a total receipe for failure, and lays out why he will never be successful in this league in any capacity.

    We can go back and forth. You're right, some team may hire him as DC. And their defense will be undisciplined, spotty, and mediocore, just like the Jets' D has been over the last 6 years. No matter what the numbers say.
     
  20. BacktoQueens

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    Ok lets stay on penalties. If they were all third and longs, then the penalty ydg would indicate so.
    guess what, it doesn't. we are the third least penalized defense in the NFL in terms of ydg, second least in number of penalties.
    and you can go back and look at Rex's entire penalty history since becoming DC of Ravens, and it would still support the opposite of your claim.
    there is zero proof you can come up with to support your 'undisciplined and often penalized defense' theory and you know it.

    It's just a perception thing for you and others.
    the bolded statement is exactly why you don't like him.
    you equate players coach to being undisciplined. I bet you think Harbaugh brings discipline, yet his team is filled with off field incidents, high number of penalties, and on field incidents like refusing to play.

    i can keep going showing how inaccurate your other comments are, but it's really useless.
    you perception is not based on fact, and its not going to change.
     
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