People are putting WAY too much faith in next years draft. If we were serious about building through the draft we would have traded down from #2 - maybe even twice, last draft. We had 5 top picks last year and only got 3 players from them anyways Miami had two 1sts and two 2nds this year, and way fewer holes than we have. Look at what happened. Next years draft is not the kind of draft that will turn this mess around. At best it will stop us from completely bleeding to death and help us battle for 3rd place in the division.
It was only a matter of time before the youth excuse got trotted out. I'm surprised it took this long honestly. Only the jets can capitalize on a lack of experience as an excuse for putrid play and game management. We've already given 52 years so what's another decade or two in the big picture..
No they missed on all three of their 1st round picks in the 2020 draft - especially if you include Tua, which I currently am (If he was taken 15th instead of 5th maybe not..?). But they filled holes in FA well last season. This year draft was pretty good, but lost other key players in free agency. Waddle has been solid, if not spectacular. Phillips has been coming on and looking better. But most of all, the saftey they got in the second round, Javon Holland, looks like a future superstar. But even three good players in the first two rounds wasn't enough to make them a playoff team.
a 2 win team that traded away players for future picks we haven't even used yet. so far the 2021 draft class looks great. On offense moore, AVT and carter are studs already. On defense echols and carter II have been studs. Hall from 2020 looks great as well. Next year we'll get lawson back which is huge and start investing in the defense so it can catch up to the offense that we know has potential. Zach will have a eyar experiance, white is proven to be a solid backup. the players will have a year experianc in the system. You need continuity to succeed in the NFL
yes we've given 52 years. this regime is literally 10 weeks in. we have a ton of draft capital and money to spend in the offseason. this was a year of learning and evaluation and installing new system and getting a rookie QB up to speed. we always were gonna be bad this year. we all knew it. so why is everyone so surprised?
Because this wasn't some open audition for guys to come play off the streets. We all assumed (our bad) that we already had real NFL players on the roster that only needed proper guidance. Evidently we were wrong on all counts. The 2020 New York Jets evidently were on the same talent level as the 1962 Mets. Gase won 2 games last year with 53 posers. If Saleh wins 3 games with this new bunch of posers, are we supposed to jump for joy? Again, APATHY has set in as illustrated by all the empty seats at home games now. Folks are so desperate for anything that resembles NFL football that Mike White was elevated from zero to hero and sadly, back to zero. Not only were we gonna be bad this year, we're gonna suck next year too and most likely the year after that. We will suck until Saleh and his Staff learn how to coach a winning football team. Right now, they're in waay over their collective heads. Most likely that doesn't change for another 3-5 years. We're stuck with this situation because the Jets don't hire guys with prior HC experience be it in the NFL or College. We're always gonna be rebuilding. We're always gonna be waiting for this CS to grow into the jobs they were hired to do. Just the way it is..
Meanwhile, the two guys that we passed over in order to hire Gase are doing considerably better than Gase did and Saleh is doing now. Rhule, even though he's absolutely mismanaged his QB situation and otherwise has plenty of faults of his own, somehow has 5 wins with Sam Darnold and Cam Newton coming in off the street at QB and Kingsbury is doing some very good things with the Cardinals.
young players aren't inherently bad, they just need time and experience. look at the jumps moore , AVT and carter have made already. We are building a young core. if wilson can have a josh allen like progression that would be huge. hall is already a stud CB and carter II and echols look good so far as well. on D missing lawson hurts but we have big holes at LBer and S and we need more of a rush from our front 4. it's going to take time to fill those holes. the offense has played well in spurts. they have shown potential. we've been banged up pretty bad, to the point where 4 QBs have thrown a TD for the jets this season. hell we put up pretty good number on offense with a 3rd string QB against a good defense. and beat a good team with a backup QB who threw for 400 yards. the potential is there, we have talent but we need to be consistent and grow on the talent and build around the core group. I get jet fans are tired of being patient but shitting on saleh right now is like breaking up with an ex because they cheated on you, then turning around on your new GF and going off on her for missing 1 call and treating her like she was your ex. it's crazy. saleh isn't gase. JD isn't mac. You gotta give the new regime some time to see if they can turn things around. we all know the team can be better, but sometime syou have to look at yourselves and think can the fans be better? becuase right now the fans are just as bad as the team is
We will compare him to Saleh in his second year. His first year he did exactly the same thing as his predecessor who got fired - same 5 wins. Saleh already matched Gase's two wins, and I think he will at least double it. The point above though is HUGE. He gave up a lot to get Sam. He gave up Teddy. He gave up 2nd and 4th pick. And he gave up Fields/Mac Jones, who were both available with his pick. He locked up 20 mil on Sam next year. He wanted full control, and Sam and the opportunity costs he sacrificed to get him is not a small mistake. I certainly would not put him as a success story just yet.
Those POS Johnsons DONT want an experienced HC Witness how they shooed away m McCarthy after he demanded to be Fire Marshall to put out this Dumpster Fire We are F#cked to eternity ,, The Douglas play is hardly working out tbh..although we all thought he was a "GM in charge". Are semi hope is that JD convinces Johnson to pay off the current clown show and move on to maybe something better
I have been thinking the same thing. The 2022 draft is not going to solve all or even most of the problems. Douglas had a bad 2020 draft and a decent one in 2021 although I would have traded down from #2. Who knows if Douglas will have his head up his butt or actually fill positions of need? We should be especially concerned about what Douglas brought INTO the 2021 campaign at the position of OLB. Expecting two late round rookie safeties to play significant time OLB in a 4-3 scheme tells me Douglas is at best learning on the job. And the jets don't need another MacCagnan or Idzik.
Too early to give up on Saleh, but the team has played enough games to be concerned. I don't think he has the roster to play the defense he wants to play. Carl Lawson's injury really hurt his style too. Having said that, the defense is still disappointing no matter what. Unacceptable for a defensive-minded Head Coach. How many more wins would the Jets have if Saleh coached better? I don't know. Maybe one or two. Maybe none. They would compete more though and the games should be closer than these complete blowouts. That is the concerning part.
Too early? Maybe as of this week. By the end of this year, if we get blown out every game from here on out? Then yeah, I'd say that would be enough to give up on him. The fact is, week in and week out, this coaching staff has no answers for anything. It's not that they're getting beat; they aren't even competing. If Saleh can't fix that by the end of the year, then he's not ready to be a head coach.
He already won as many games as the team he inherited last year. Yes, a low bar, but there are still 8 games left to be played. Let's see how he does first. It's way too early to talk about his firing.
Rhule isn't a good coach; he'll get fired in the next couple years. Kingsbury has had more success, but I think Murray is more responsible for the success than Kingsbury is.
Last year wins were lucky too. Browns were decimated by COVID and Rams was a close one, just like we the two we had against good teams this year. The point is, he inherited a bad team. With all the rookies this year, plus all rookie staff, it's going to be an uphill battle, and so far he matched all last year's production in 9 games. I think we will win a few more also. For a team with as much youth and inexperience we have it will be important to show improvement towards the end of the year. I totally get the frustration - I am pissed off myself. But inheriting a two win team and infusing it with rookies (players and coaches) is going to take some time to turn around. So far we already achieved as much as last year with 8 games to play. Not saying it is some great achievement - just that there are 8 games to be played and the jury is still out.
That would matter if the fans suited up and played. Bad fans don't make teams bad. Bad teams make fans bad.
And the Jets are just terrible right now. It's like they have no grounding at all in what makes a professional football team successful. I think the biggest problem is that they've been a joke for so long that nobody takes them seriously. This undercuts the ability to bring in talent at all levels. The dysfunction goes back at least to 2005 and has just gotten worse and worse over the years. Even the "good" era at the start of the Rex years was more of a circus than anything else.
