No. Like i stated in another thread yesterday I have a hard time squaring in my head that Aaron Glenn, the defensive minded coach who has been adamant from the jump that we are a team trying to win games NOW, was a voice in the room in support of these trades. Not after the massive hit his stock as a competent coach has already taken, and not to the point he woke up yesterday and was like " F it let's just be even worse the rest of the year and trade away the 2 best players on MY side of the ball!". If anything imo this will more likely go down a year from now as the first confirmed sign we had of the typical Jets franchise backroom dysfunction already taking hold. With a best case scenario for us fans likely being that it was a "joint" decision by Woody/Mougey to cut bait with the fake bill of immediate expectation goods AG sold Woody on to get the job, and which ultimately steers us towards making the offensive coaching HC hire this upcoming offseason that that should of got made in the first place. Or basically...Woody wants a team and offense that can actually score points. With AG's inclusion in all this 'we" talk rationalization yesterday just being there as save face courtesy. I wouldn't currently bet on his long term security being better today then it was earlier in the week.
What do you expect Glenn to say? He is responsible for the motivation of 53 men in the locker room and the entire staff. Nah, we had a shitty start so we’re not trying to win games anymore? Some of these posts are just out of control this week lol.
I'd expect him to to go out and say exactly what he did in yesterday's presser. A bunch of vague and corporate agreement speak towing the line. Regardless of whether it directly contradicts any "these are guys we need to build around' statements he made in the past. Your track record of calling my takes out as wrong or crazy don't tend to age well. Again, I guess we'll see more in a year or so when the annual "what went wrong with the Jets" article gets pushed out from the Athletic This just feels completely Woody driven to me, and I don't believe AG's fingerprints are actually on those calls.
Yeah, and honestly it’s hard to stand there with a straight face saying “these are the guys to build around” when you let go our two best defensive players who are both young…like if those two guys aren’t “the guys to build around” then you look like fucking idiots…so who ARE the guys? Shits like Clemons and McD? Come on! No one is buying that shit, and he looks like either a liar or a moron saying shit like that. Just sit there and say they are great players, two of our best, but we did what we felt was the best thing for the Jets in the long run…something like that.
The only thing you hammered that we really disagreed with on was the whole Aaron Rodgers thing. And honestly we probably would’ve been in better shape with him here than not this year so not sure what else you’re talking about.
Can't agree with the bold even though I do think Glenn says some stupid shit. JJ, AZ (to an extent), Brownlee, WMD, Moore, maybe even Stephens are guys that have looked good and very much look the part of a cornerstone piece moving forward. Obviously looks way better if you keep Sauce and Q in that mix but it's not like we're a total barren wasteland of potential longterm pieces without them.
Interesting take…I would say two probowlers and former All Pro’s only 2 years ago are much better guys to build around than these other guys…JJ I like and he’s coming off an injury but yes he’s that kind of guy….Brownlee and Moore, we’ll see they are young and hustle so may turn out to be very good…Stephens is a bit of an enigma…absolutely stunk early but has played better of late, and McD I don’t know what to think of him…he’s a physical freak and can make some great plays but he also disappears for games at a time and that is NOT someone to build around at a critical position like DE…I see him more as a situational pass rush guy much like Saleh used Huff, which would be a great piece to have but not foundational. So that’s fine, I agree those are guys who should be part of the future and maybe even can become great players, but we just traded away proven talent that was not being maximized by the current shit coaching staff. We do agree on Glenn saying stupid shit, and honestly I don’t care much at all about how he talks to the press honestly, but I do care if it shows his thought process because a lot of it makes zero sense.
Yea of course two pro bowlers and all pros are better to build around, I said that. But blowing it up to stockpile picks isn't exactly foreign concept in the NFL. I don't even like the path, but Im not gonna pretend we're going out on a limb and fucking up something that was destined for greatness. I also don't know how Sauce, who was having a great year, wasn't being maximized by the coaching staff. Q was gone, he was getting traded no matter what, that's pretty obvious at this point so we can't pretend like keeping him was an option. He says stupid shit but if his thought process is "we have guys you can build around" then it's hard to disagree. This obviously isn't the finished product. We have four picks the first two days of the draft. I'd bet big money we're adding a major piece to the defense.
Agreed This team will be made over in the next two years…Mougey and Glenn will have NO excuses to not field a winner after two drafts with 5 first round picks… The only thing I can do is watch and hope
Correct. There's not a single excuse either of these guys can possibly have beyond this year. Mougs has a fucking GM's dream between picks and money and Glenn will have the players that come from those picks and money. I've never seen a cleaner slate as a Jets fan. No two guys have had it set up better. If they fail, neither should have jobs again.
I feel way more confident in Mougey than I do in Glenn, which is why I would LOVE to bring in a better HC next year
My memory isn't what it used to be, but didn't Herm let Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman go in the Expansion draft after being the #1 passing defense the year prior? Didn't John Abraham and Johnathan Vilma get traded despite being young and among the best at their positions?
Yes you are correct…two more great examples of this fucking team letting good talent that we drafted walk away and have a ton of success elsewhere, always feeding us excuses of why it was the right move to make. It was ALWAYS the WRONG move to make.
It all fits together -- the team keeps changing Coaches, which means they keep changing schemes, which means they keep changing what kinds of players they are looking for, which means they keep dropping good players that don't fit and replacing them with players who won't fit the next new Coach. The circle continues.
This is not a fair depiction of what happened. Each of the NFL teams were able to protect a certain number of players from HOU. The Jets were in a cap hell situation, of which the expansion draft gave a free opportunity for us to get out of it. We made a deal with Hou to leave Glenn and Coleman unprotected while also allowing Ryan Young to be unprotected. HOU was targeting Young, and as part of that agreement had to take on Glenn and Robinson. We were 16m over the cap at the time, which by today’s standard would be like 80m over the cap. We had no choice. Parcells was a great coach, but his penchant to win with FA’s that were “his guys” cost alot in FA and left us in a shitty spot.
Sure, but your original post was "Honestly, thinking back through our former defensive HC’s over the last couple decades I can’t envision that any of them would have been onboard with trading the two best defensive players on the team, both of whom are amongst the best in the league and relatively young. Could you imagine Rex in this situation? Bowles or Saleh? Herm? Pretty sure they’d be losing their shit." I have no memory whatsover of Herm losing his shit over their departure. I don't remember Mangini losing his shit over the Abraham nor Vilma trades.
The Jets didn’t really miss Vilma though. They changed to a Patriots style 3-4 defense when Mangini got here and he was largely ineffective in the scheme. We had pretty damn good ILB play after dealing him for the duration of his career with the Saints. Never really filled the hole that Abraham left but we did get Mangold out of the deal so it’s tough because these are both mutually ok deals.
It definitely looks like a good deal at the moment. Losing season with those guys, at least one of the 2 were malcontents, and we got a potential addition to the WR room on top of the picks. What happens with those picks is what will ultimately determine how good of a deal it actually is.
Exactly! And that boils down to Woody making the wrong choice ALWAYS. Every fucking time. I also hate when people cite the “lack of continuity” as one of our problems. That is a false statement and makes zero sense. It totally flips cause and effect. Continuity is NOT the cause of BAD coaching decisions, rather, continuity is the EFFECT of GOOD coaching decisions. A coach has to actually EARN the continuity, like Tomlin did, or Harbaugh did, etc.
Trading Sauce was a great move. Especially getting 2 firsts since his value was declining. Trading Q was dumb. You don't trade core big guys unless they are in a contract year.
