I would throw in Mulligan too and call it a deal. Im sure Minnesota would take an unproven RT/G, turnstile a RT who is over 31 and whoever else we dont want on our team in return for the #3 pick. I would do it if I were them... In all seriousness, did you honestly think before you posted that? Or were you too busy drawing that trade up in Madden. In order for us to move up to pick #3, with out giving up our first rounder, we would probably have to throw in Revis and still some of our draft picks... Sounds great to me!!111!!!
tanny is a genius. between vlad and hunter sanchez is sure to get killed dead sanchez = 17.5 m off the cap
Here's a counterpoint then. http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php The number 3 pick is worth 2200 points. Almost any mock worth anything at this point has him going to Minnesota at that spot. Since we are not giving up our #16 pick in this scenario, we need to offer: Our 2nd (420) Our 1st 2013 (420) Our 3rd (190) Our 4th (70) This gets us halfway there (1100). Trade them Hunter, Ducasse, Mulligan, and Scott (since he's the topic today) and MAYBE we get to 1400. I suppose we could make up the difference by trading them...um, I dunno, Revis... Or we can just stick with :rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:
Hallelujah... Vlad is a RT or 6th OL ONLY!!! He's not a guard... about time they realize it. I fully expect the winner of the competition to play RT and the other guy to be the jumbo TE. I expect the Jets to use 6OL pretty often this year. Also I think running a simpler system will really help him. Now the question is, can Brandon Moore play in Sparano's system?
is vlad better then wayne hunter??? i dunno. i bet we can find a free agent that is s0o0o much better then both. the coaches need to have some kinda line man competition because the blocking sucked in '11.
By no objective measure of season long performance, assessing the line as a whole, did the blocking "suck".
I love how everyone is rooting for him to fail. Furthermore the people who don't think the change from zone blocking to drive blocking wont help. Ducasse had limited experience with the sport of football let alone coming from UMass. Ducasse has immense strength and quick feet for someone with his frame. You can see ducasse struggling with making pre snap reads resulting in hesitation off the snap and at times he would quit moving his feet. When you stop moving your feet you've already lost. Furthermore someone with such limited experience should've been at one spot all year. Especially with the lockout erasing the offseason. Injuries on the OL didn't allow it. He had plenty of negative plays. Too bad people never mention when he run blocked and made DL look like children. He was a project pick who's been mishandled and doesn't fit a zone blocking scheme. Anyone throwing in the towel on him is welcome to. I think you hear Sparano singing his praises and using the word progress constantly under a drive blocking scheme.
I'm certainly not rooting for him to fail, and I think the man scheme will help him out a lot, especially if he's got a real off-season with it. I think people just are a little put off by the way he has failed so far. Let's face it, any other position can fail enough to ruin a game. Your fail running back can fumble at the goal-line. Your fail corner can get a blatant 60 yard PI call. Your D-lineman can whiff on a scat back and watch him run for 45 yards. Your QB can throw 5 picks. All these things can ruin a game. When your O-lineman has an epic brain-fart and lets Terrell Suggs obliterate your quarterback untouched, that can ruin a SEASON. Like I said I'd love to see him get better, but at the moment he's just too fucking scary to be trusted out there.
Good stuff.... I even see people like Ray Lucas tweeting stuff like Ducasse is the Vernon Gholston of OL draft picks and he should be cut.... REALLY???? Uggggh!!!!!! One question coach.... I said from day 1 that he should have been left at GUARD.... Shouldn't Guard in a Man OL system be the easiest for him to just get in there and Maul people? Just hate to see him left out on an island against these freak DE's and LB's that make most OT's look ridiculous. If it were me I would have had him at Guard Day 1.... There were some quotes from other players saying this guy's Raw Talent is off the charts unbelievable... it's the learning part that's getting to him which leads me to believe that one day, on some team this guy is going to be used correctly, coached correctly and put at the right position to last over a decade at well above average play. Ray Lucas is a fool IMO, to think you can just walk away from such projects - heck, WTF was Ray Lucas if not some sort of project that people needed to find a home for?
That's the part that has me anxious. To me he should be playing RG with Mangold helping him with his pre-snap reads.
You are right... let's wait 4 seasons for a 2nd round pick to develop...(cause its easy to assume he'll need next season to "improve") I sure hope Woody makes you GM. Injuries on the OL didn't allow Vlad to be switching positions, he's had to switch positions so much because he hasnt been any good at any of them. Not to mention one of those injuries was his fault! He arrived as a 2nd round pick and he could have easily had the LG spot or the RT spot. Injuries hasn't forced him to bounce between those positions the fact that he was overwealmingly defeated in competitions with Slauson, and Hunter (not exactly All-Pros) has forced him to bounce around because I suspect the staff is trying to figure out what exactly he's good at. And I'm sorry he doesn't have quick feet. I would think thats pretty obvious by his lack of ability to move his feet laterally. He does have good one-on-one strength... I think "immense" is a little exaggerating but I will say he is strong for a lineman and if/when he gets his hands on a "slower" defender he can move them well.. but the game of football isn't played in a phone booth... Personally, I think they might as well cut him than try to make him a RT. He's never going to be able to pick-up blitzers.. Hunter had shown he was weak in blitz pickup so teams blitzed the s#!t out of him. D-coordinators will smell blood and send LBs/DBs at him all day - yikes. His best chance to make the team/do anything for the Jets ever is as a Guard...I would use him exclusively as a backup Guard / strictly run-blocker and hope he doesn't get beat out by an UDFA.
I don't get what the fixation is on the fact that he was a 2nd round pick. If he becomes an all-pro caliber tackle or if he winds up getting Sanchez killed, at this point it doesn't matter anymore.
So many things you said here is just wrong. First off, do you not understand the meaning off a “project” pick? He was declared a project pick once he was drafted. Everyone knew that he wouldnt be able to start in a year because he needed time to develop (now, Im not defending him being drafted in the 2nd round, but the fact that he is a project pick). Him moving from position to position is mainly because of lack of depth. Sure, he might not have been great at LG, but thats because they gave him a month to learn a whole new position. Lets see someone try and learn every position on the line without OTAs and minicamps in their second year. Its just not going to happen. And that, is all on the CS and FO. If he spent all of his time in the NFL learning one position, Im sure he would be in a spot to start soon. Oh. And lets not forget the twisted scheme that Schotty was running. The OL scheme was that of frankenstein- a mish-mosh of schemes put together by Schotty and Callahan who had different ideas that is practically impossible to grasp by any player. If you actually had knowledge on Ducasse, you would know that his potential is through the roof, and that he has amazing feet quickness (when his head can grasp what is going on) and that he is probably the strongest player on the team. I am scared shitless as to how this scenario turns out because ik it can make or break next season, but to look at it with such a narrow view is not accurate.
I'm completely stunned at the love he has gotten on this board, you guys should start a fan club I'm sure he'd be flattered. You honestly believe he has "amazing feet quickness"? Honestly? D'Brickashaw Ferguson is the Jets franchise lineman, a pro bowler, and was a #4 overall pick but I don't think he has "amazing feet quickness" and I like D'Brick. This guy doesn't smell the field in any relevant capacity because they are rightfully worried his guy will run around him and eat Sanchez for lunch and yet he has "amazing feet quickness." Give me a break man... I'm willing to bet even the CS would laugh at your remarks/love for Ducasse. They didn't draft him they are stuck with what Tannenbaum assembles and are trying to find what he can do - 3 positions later and they are back to the drawing board. I suspect the project will be over by Sept. 1st.
Well, people were discussing the idea that someone might be tempted to take Maybin for a first rounder, that's how I originally started thinking about it. If this happens, then the option opens up to trade up. I know it would take more than just a 3rd round pick and Hunter to get the pick. I wasn't suggesting it would be simple and go down exactly like I described. I doubt Hunter has any real value at all beyond backup. Kalil is a beast, best non QB in the draft by a good amount, so maybe it's just wishful thinking, but come on, we've seen Tanny pull off crazier moves than that. Anyways, I was assuming that a team would bite on the Maybin tender to open the possibility up. If not it would be much more difficult and would probably involve trading a lot of next year's picks and maybe Bart Scott, which is something I'd rather not do. I do think Vlad deserves one final training camp to prove his worth. Last year I cringed every time he entered the game, but with Hunter playing like garbage and Ferguson significantly under performing, there really wasn't a huge amount of difference.
Good post. Yeah, I was taking into account getting a first round pick via Maybin. Sure, I'd love to just trade all of our crappy guys for a really good player, but yeah, it's always easier said than done.
Its not that we think he's done a great job, or even a good one. We just see a ton of potential in the guy and understand he was a project. What we love is the potential, not his level of play to date. It's frustrating to see so many people who want him cut ignoring the fact that he was supposed to take time to develop. I hate the fact that they took a project in the 2nd round, but they did and it's a project that could still work out very well. He is in a much better situation going into his third season. Given his low salary and the fact that he is a project I highly doubt he's gone by 09/01.
