Personally I think the lower the better. The less reading and the more reacting the better the results. What the hell are we paying Shotsie all this money for if we need a rocket scientist to run the O. There's a reason pro quarterbacks come out of Schools like USC with degrees in phys Ed and communications. When was the last 1st round QB who came out of MIT with an advanced degree in computer science? Give me a good old boy who can chuck the ball down the field and has some football instincts. They don’t have to know what X equals they just have to know who X is.
Well, whoopie doo. Chad is a smart. What the hell did that get the Jets? I would rather have a guy who played the top program in the country. A guy with limitless potential. A guy who led his team, almost single handedly, to a national championship. A guy whose coaches and teammates rave about as a team leader on and off the field. A guy who has a cannon of an arm. A guy who is built like a tank and is incredible hard to bring down. A guy who runs like a RB. I would rather have a guy who refuses to lose and finds a way to get it done in every game. I would rather have a guy who has everything you physically would want in a QB and more. Take Chad's brain and media savvy and shove it up his ass. The guy cant break a pane of glass anymore with his chicken arm and has proven to be among the most injury prone QBs in the league. All while getting entirely too much hype for a small run he had YEARS ago. Picking apart Vince Young based on his intelligence (from some BS IQ test) and his throwing motion while praising a perennial LOSER like Cutler is apparently a board hobby. Personally, I just dont get it. I am in the Brick fanclub for our 1st pick, but if we wind up with Young or Leinart I will be ecsatic. In my view, its a four player draft. Bush/Young/Brick/Leinart. We should be very happy to get any of the above.
With me, it's more personal. I don't care one whit whether scored a 6, 16, or 26, but I'll be damned if I let a bunch of mouthbreathers correct their own screw-up by feeding me a hokie story about a "grading error." .
Vince Young has not proven a damn thing in this league. You can go on praising him like he's the next coming of Christ, but the NFL is a whole different ball game. Do you really think he can replicate what he did to a crappy USC defense on an NFL defense? This guy was a low first round / second round pick, but because of one game against a very mediocre defense he is a sure lock? There is a reason why they give this test at the combine. If there was no use for it, they wouldn't bother having it. How can you trust a QB to read defenses and make split second decisions against the BEST defenses in the world if he can't even do simple arithmetic in a pressure situation? Obviously Chad has proven to be injury prone, but don't take away from his intelligence because of that. In 2004 he led us to within a field goal of the AFC championship game while playing HALF the season with a TORN rotator cuff. He did it with his head, and I honestly don't think any other QB in the league would have been able to do that.
In 1999, Donovan McNabb scored 12 on the Wonderlic Test. Akili Smith scored 15, Daunte Culpepper scored both a 15 and a 21. The year before, Charlie Batch had a 12 and a 15 and Aaron Brooks scored 17. -- Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Because every player who gets above the average score is automatically able to read, understand, and execute NFL playbooks.
One of the reasons we have such a young brain trust is they are going to put the playbook on disk in animation format.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Seriously though, how can you score so low. I felt dumb for getting one wrong (on the practice) because I couldn't tell the diff between an n and an r. Maybe the Jets are drafting him in hopes of his helping the salary cap. "Oh, thats a comma not a period."
Okay, when I said this changes the landscape dramatically, I'm saying this changes the landscape of those who've been supportive of taking Cutler at #4, not taking Young. I respect your opinion though. If you say that a score of 16 is over-rated and won't adversely change what teams think of Young, perhaps he stays in the top three then and doesn't drop at all, and we can still take Cutler at #4. But I doubt it. I like the way Cutler is working out the combine... bench-pressing even. He's improving his stock as we speak and Young has damaged his, IMO. I was quite content with taking Cutler at #4, but I really think that's all going to change now. Not saying Young isn't still a decent QB pick at #4, but I'd still like a better explanation of how this guy scored a 16. I watched the Rose Bowl and I'm well aware of what Young looked like... in fact, I really liked him. I guess I'm just disappointed now that Young didn't score higher because we'll likely miss the guy I really want... Cutler.
The latest I read was the Jets moving to #1 to get Leinart(obviously, just speculation right now). The interview I saw recently with Mangini said he is looking for "smart" players. I would'nt want, with us having to rebuild, to trade all the picks we would have to, to draft #1. The best scenario would be to have Cutler sitting at #4. With what he is doing at the combine, I'm not sure thats going to happen!
Neither has any potential draft pick. We can only judge potential picks on what they have accomplished in college and their tools. There is no arguing with either with Young.
While a 16 out of 50 is not great, you have to look at the player as a whole. For all of those who think that this drops Young out of the first, just think of it as a test of another facet of Young as a player. To me, all of the brouhaha about this test is analagous to the overemphasis placed on the forty yard dash. The wonderlic, like the 40 yard dash, just shows another aspect of a player. One test is not a definitive measurement of a player's ability. Just ask Jerry Rice.
This thread is hillarious. Just like all the others that downplay the test. This is the state of the country we live in. As long as someone can wipe their own ass, people are fine with that person, if they can throw a baseball 90 mph, drop a dunk over a guy 6' 8", or hit a man 40 yards downfield in stride. No, the test won't tell you what type of ballplayer Young is. It does tell you what type of person he is though. He is lazy. If you don't know the 9th month of the year, you are a moron, period. That's not a learning disability, that is just plain lazy and stupid. It's amazing that I went to college for 4 years, graduated with a degree, and I make pennies compared to what Young will make IN SEPTEMBER. Might be nice if he knew what month the season starts, don't you think? At least I can say this much, this is one of the few threads I have read on this board where spellcheck wouldn't have choked on the errors. Sadly though, practically all the threads around here are sprinkled with spelling and grammatical errors. Yeah I know the argument against that, who cares right? You aren't paid to type in intelligent coherent sentences here. So what's the big deal? The big deal is that this is 1st grade English classwork! My children have a better mastery of the English language than many people who lurk on this board. Same goes for Young I bet. That's sad, just sad. BTW: The big deal with Young's score being so low? It was all over the media, and many people on this site felt it was worthy enough to be repeated OVER AND OVER, that Young was, in fact, an intelligent young man, besides being a gifted football player. Well guess what? He showed everyone just how wrong they were. Amazing how no one who touted his intellect before has stepped up to say how wrong they were now. A 6 or a 16, he still needs to look at the stick figure on the bathroom door before he enters to make sure there are going to be urinals. Hell, none of the posted scores were all that great, and that just goes to show how far this society has fallen. I know this is a flame war waiting to happen, but I really don't give a crap. If you are offended by anything I posted, maybe you need to take a good look at yourself and think about the difference between their/there/they're.
The world still puts a premium on raw talent, genius and ability over education. While that might sadden you that they are better at what they do and are worth many multiples of what the average grammar teacher or highly educated college student is worth, that's life.
