This Vilma argument week in and week out is getting ridiculous...the fact is..the Jets NEVER blitz leaving Vilma on an island against a offensive guard twice his size. When we did blitz (last couple of Browns drives) we got great pressure on the QB and Vilma started to swarm. This is where we are at our best. Face it guys, the Jets are the one of the most conservative teams on both sides of the ball year in and year out. We need to take serious chances such as blitzing on consecutive plays or throwing consistant 15-20 yard passes downfield. If we do this, our playmakers will have a chance to make plays instead of having opposing offenses and defenses read us perfectly.
That's not what I see at all...what I see is a Middle Linebacker who can't read the run and goes left when the ball goes right and goes right when the ball goes left and drops into coverage when the balls goes up the middle.
Vilma's like a centerfielder who never gets a good jump on the ball but compensates with his speed... Unfortunately...the truly great centerfielders are the one's who get good jumps AND have speed.
The easiest way to evulate JV is to take his total tackles either in a game or for the entire season & then see how many IMPACT plays he made vs tackles he made 4 or more yards down the field.
D Robertson just flat out stinks, He is getting pushed all over the field and I watched him few just a few plays this past game when it seemed like we were going no where to find out for myself. WHAT WAS GOING WRONG on the defence. He was being pushed around to the left/right of the line and beind stood up and then just giving up on the play. HE IS DUE WHAT 8 or 9 million next year. OH NO I DONT THINK SO. This NT situation has to be addressed in this BYE WEEK or were doomed. Take that to tha BANK
Good point. Champs above post has to be dealt with though. You have to look at impact plays. To kjet84: I really dont think the Vilma argument is being beaten to death. In fact, I think Vilma gets a pass from a lot of Jet fans. The reason is pretty simple. The front office/coaching staff will be adding pieces to this puzzle in the off season. You either build around a guy like Vilma/Lewis/Urlacher or you find that guy to build around. The cornerstone to every good defense lies in the middle of the field. It makes everyone better. Its a player opposing coaching staffs must prepare for week in and week out. What has Vilma played in...about 35 games in his career? Is he an impact player? Or is he just a solid linebacker. How many games has he carried the defense to victory..whether it was 3-4 or 4-3. How many times has he made an impact on goal line stands. How many times have you heard announcers doing games saying "Vilma is all over the field". His numbers are great because of his ability..his physical tools. Is his impact weak because of his inability to read plays quickly. Im not looking at his sacks...I know the Jets havent used him like that (which begs a different question..if the coaching staff thought he would dominate in that role...wouldnt they be using him that way? Two regimes havent used him like that..not one..but two...why).
Yea, ray lewis vanished by becoming defensive player of the year in the 3-4.....where do you people get this from??? yea, he bitched and moaned....what MLB doesn't want to be in the 4-3??? but the fact of the matter is, ray lewis was the best defensive player in the league in the 3-4. Jon Vilma is a very good football player right now....prehaps we expected too much from our d to make the transformation......you guys need to give our d a full year to evaluate. I do agree however that he could be a OLB for us in the 3-4, where his athleticism will really show. If he continues to only play decent as a ILB for the rest of the year, then we should try him out next year on the outside.
This is a great point guys.....I really belive that our D needs to start being wayyy more aggresive.....you will then see the real abilities of some of our players.....our talent on d is not THIS bad, the real problem starts with the coaches calling vanilla d's fopr most of the game
Do U really believe what U posted saying in essence our HC & CS are a bunch of idiots? Did you ever consider that the CS have evulated the present players & come to the conclusion that none of them are the blitzing type. Cmon give me a break no HC wants to look as stupid as Man look when the Brownies were running the ball against us in last Sundays game. The last time I saw that was when Oak ran 20 some odd straight times against us & Cottrell was then driven under the bus by Herm
I always thought Vilma was too small to play LB in NFL and was never crazy about his selection. Vilma will drag people down when they've gain 5 yards already and he isn't going to deliver the big hits that people will remember from really good LBs.
Bob Sutton has showed me absolutely nothing this year....our d has only looked pretty good when we have been using stunts and sending d-backs and/or 2+lb's on the blitz.....our 4 starting LB's are not known as "blitzing types", but they are all decent at worst in that area, and if Mangini can scheme out some of the blitzes properly, we may have a much better d.....
Look you are really p-ing in the wind here IMHO. If you resspect Man then U have to believe all U posted has been discussed with Sutton/Cox etc. Most probably the bottom line is we DO NOT have the players with enough talent yet to carry out your proposal otherwise why would you think our CS would not implement your proposal? Also I think if you reply is well we do have the players then I think you are greatly over estimating many of our present D players. Remember this not Herm we are talking about here now also supposely Man & co play the best players so at this moment the better conclusion is we just do not have the talent on board yet to become the next Chicago Bears.
That was after he got a NT worth a damn, blocking the olineman and allowing him to make plays, and from what I saw in cleveland when our dline getting pushed into the 2nd level CONSTANTLY, HOW THE HELL do you expect him to make plays??? Like I said I do think he is struggling with the transition, but his lack of playmaking plays are as much if not more because of the personel around him, then his struggles in a new position
Even in the 4-3 see how many tackles he made totally then see how many IMPACT plays he made vs making tackles 5 or more yards D/field. The MLB is one of the most dominating D position on the team & you must have a dominating MLB if you ever want a SB caliber D
JV's production or lack there of has everything to do with the 3-4; to believe otherwise is borderline idiotic. If you take Derrick Brooks, who I believe has gone to 9 consecutive pro-bowls, and put him in the 3-4 where he has to take on guards snap after snap, I don't believe he goes to even one pro-bowl. Smaller LBs like Vilma, Brooks, Ernie Sims...etc are at their best when they are free to flow to the ball and use their speed, their biggest asset.
So did you take JV stats of tackles vs IMPACT plays in the 4-3 & how many tackles he made 5 or more yds D/field before making your post?
You dont get it, let me break it down for you. Nobody wants to here that our front three, except for one guy constantly gets no push on d. They expect vilma to to throw 350 lb lineman into the air and then clothesline the rb all in one effortless motion. The fact of the matter is Ray lewis in his prime would not survive with our front 3. Vilma made plays when our front four was decent. (ellis,ferguson,robertson,abraham) Plays meaning stuffing rb's on the line, getting into the backfield now and then those, kind of plays. When we address the line next season, and vilma continues to play like this, (even though I thought he played pretty good against the browns) then it might be time to throw him under the bus.
Sorry guess you did not read my posts or if you did you decided not to reply to what I posted which was about the previous 2 seasons in the 4-3. Go check it out
