View of the 2013 Jets - Not pretty

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  1. BakerMaker

    BakerMaker Well-Known Member

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    Definitely disagree.

    Mr T. had to go asap in fact. It is tough to make any gauge towards what Idzik's plan is which is why I think Costello is jumping the gun here. GMs need more than a year to operate and get their vision of the team. Idzik inherited a team filled with awful cap room, and signed specifically released players to keep the comp. picks.
     
  2. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    And he had the same scouting input that Tannenbaum had. This year lots of faces have changed in the scouting department and hopefully the results will be different.

    The Jets have had a lot of drafts recently where round 1 and maybe 2 were good and then they zero'd out after that. That is to go along with the straight zero drafts.

    If you want to be an elite team you have to get some good to great players out of rounds 3 to 7 occasionally. The Jets have been really bad at doing that for a long time.
     
  3. BakerMaker

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    Our OLine as far as pass protection is a work in progress but it is to be expected with a rookie LG, a RG we got off of release in Colon and Howard has yet to establish a full season, or even a half a season string of good if not great pass protection games. DBrick this year has not been the same either.
     
  4. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    This is a polite way of saying that nobody on that offensive line is any guarantee 2 years out.

    I think the Jets are on the verge of an o-line rebuild, but hopefully not having to do it in over-drive. I wouldn't be surprised if 4 of the 5 faces are different in 2 years.
     
  5. BakerMaker

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    The problem Mr T. had was he traded up just about every single year. Funny enough, his best draft(2006) was the one draft he didn't up a single time.

    2007: Darrelle Revis, David Harris
    2008: Dustin Keller
    2009: Mark Sanchez, Shonn Greene
    2010: Joe McKnight
    2011: Jeremy Kerley
    2012: Stephen Hill

    We had a grand total of SEVEN selections in the 2009 and 2010 combine. Teams are suppose to get 7 players in one draft. That kills a team's depth and we paid for that. I was fine with the Edwards and Cromartie trades but the trading up for these draftees and forfeiting of draft picks, no matter how high or low did not help us, in particular last year where we lacked an injection of youth.
     
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  6. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    It's not just the trade-ups.

    The Jets did not get a single starting caliber player from the 4th round on in his tenure. DeMario Davis was the only 3rd rounder who was near starting caliber.

    You can't limit yourself to roleplayers after the 1st two rounds and get ahead in the NFL talent wars. You have to find major assets at some point later in the draft or you get thin and become vulnerable to injuries and wind up paying good players like they are stars because you cannot afford to let them hit free agency.
     
  7. gustoonarmy

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    Bradway is still on staff...just sayin :up:
     
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    and if was up to him, we'd have Russell Wilson. so maybe they should keep him around and see what qb he pines for next.
     
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    Solid article, would love it if Rex could read it. Maybe it's not too late to change.
     
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  10. JetsNation06

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    And if it was up to me, we would have had Brady in Round 3 of the 2000 draft. See how easy it is to play that game. Hypotheticals are merely that. Terry Bradway is the luckiest guy in the NFL to still have a job. I have no idea what kind of dirt he has on Woody Johnson or what the deal is. I also call BS on the idea that the Jets have one of the best scouting depts. in the league headed up by Bradway. If that was the case then our team would look a hell of a lot different. Idzik must have been told by Woody and his henchmen that Bradway stays when he took the GM job. That's the only reason that scrub still has a job. He's atrocious and I hope he has zero input on draft day.
     
  11. BakerMaker

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    Funny part is I don't think Russell Wilson makes it work last year as a Jet with the "talent" around him and with Sparano as OC. Wilson would be labeled a bust after 11 games and Jet fans would want a QB drafted the following draft.

    Russell Wilson fits in Seattle, not so much as a Jet.

    Bradway was the same guy who took Mike Nugent in round 2.....Mike Nugent. This isn't even Janikowski or Vinatieri. Mike Friggin Nugent.
     
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  12. JetsNation06

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    Ya know, you're probably right about Wilson as a Jet. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it played out like that.

    That Nugent pick was a head scratcher for sure. 2nd round pick, just sad lol.
     
  13. stinkyB

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    While there were some points that had merit, I quit reading that article when I got to "Rex Ryan ruined Tim Tebow's career....."
     
  14. Mitch_Dumstein

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    I believe if you check it out Brian Lyin Costschmucko was another of the media gurus who predicted a 3 win season

    Maybe his latest spewing should have been entitled....

    Fot years the New York Post sportswriters have been a dreadful.mess....add 2013 to the list
     
  15. Joe Willie White Shoes

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    This rebuild goes well beyond this year and was a 2-3 year process. Getting to respectability and the playoffs is not the goal. People need to look beyond this year and beyond the QB position. The Jets went into this season with more holes than Swiss cheese, but the ignorant fan base and the beat writers are incapable of analyzing the entire team and realizing that the 6 th playoff spot in the AFC this season will be won by a bad to mediocre team that has zero chance of winning a game, let alone multiple games.

    This team was considered among the 2- worst teams in the NFL before the season for a reason. The talent on offense is the worst in the NFL and that doesn't take into account the injuries. The defense does some things well, but the pass rush is inconsistent and the secondary has been awful and the defense does not create turnovers.
     
  16. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    If the Jets manage to go 8-8 Rex Ryan should be getting some Coach of the Year votes.
     
  17. BrowningNagle

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    I really can't believe your undying love for Rex. It's cringe worthy. 8-8? Coach of the year really?? Holy hell

    This will be his 3rd straight year without a winning record. Most would be walking with a resume like that- how in the hell does Rex get a pass.

    By the way, Rex is AS much if not MORE to blame than anyone for the mess of the QB position and the lack of anything good on offense. He hasn't developed a single offensive player in his tenure. No wonder he was angry about the Stephen Hill draft pick - because he would require development and there's no fucking way that's happening in a Rex Ryan coached team..

    Oh the front seven on D looks good? We'll hell it better! Rex lobbied for first round picks damn near every year for his defense. If he was a smart coach, he do the opposite and lobby for offensive draft picks because he can coach up bums on the D..... If he can..

    It's time for a change. This team is desperate for an offensive mind to run the show. Get rid of Rex and find someone who can develop his players, or at least wont ignore an entire side of the ball.
     
  18. gustoonarmy

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    Same.

    Cimini has written better shit, that said if he had written it , it would have been lambasted....wouldn't it
     
  19. LeonNYJ

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    and those teams have won a grand total of 7 of the 47 Super Bowls (regardless of appearances)... and the Colts were out of the AFCE when they won theirs. I wouldn't say that the AFCE has had a long history of success. You have three in the beginning (Jets & Dolphins in late 60s/early 70s) and 4 more recently (Pats and Colts in 00s). It was a pretty sad period for the AFCE in between.
     
  20. milo

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    So what I got out of this article is "I can't believe the Jets are bad in a year that was designed to be bad."

    This was our cap purge/young talent development/we'll be in good shape for 2014 throwaway year. For the most part I think Idzik has done a good job guiding us through the mop-up job and putting us in a spot to be competitive down the road.

    If there is one mistake I will pin on Idzik, it is drafting Geno, and not because of anything having to do with Geno. Wether or not Geno is the future is irrelevant to this, the point is that we were not supposed to be finding the future until the future. When he took a QB (any QB) in the second round, he made a move that went against every other move he made this offseason - he gave people hope for the here and now.

    There wasn't supposed to be hope for the 2013 campaign. We were supposed to take our licks, clear the decks, and come out swinging in 2014 with a legit shot to land a beast at QB from the upcoming class.

    Instead we have a year of criticizing an organization for not living up to expectations that were never supposed to be here.
     

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