whether a good OC will cater their system to the talent available doesn't minimize the fact that a player that knows the system has proven to be able to perform in taht system. but even if the OC tailors his system to the talent available, that doesn't mean that the talent available will perform as well in it as the player who has performed in the other version of the system. you've taken two separate arguments -- a player's proven performance in a system and whether an OC that is good can tailor his system to talent, and attempted to argue one negates the value of the other. no it doesn't.
No but it's been a decade since the Jets have had a QB with at least an 89 QB rating which covers multiple stats and is a much better overall indicator of QB performance than just completion percentage.
Honestly I'd love Vick here. Knows the system and he's honestly really grown as a player and person. He's shown a lot since his debacle. I'd welcome him and he'd probably be our starter until he gets hurt.
Everyone who watch Geno last year saw something clicked on in his head towards the end of the season. 3 of his 4 last games were pretty damn good. He's clearly developing and has a good shot at being a franchise QB if he keeps it up. Vick won't take us to a Super Bowl ever. He's just not that good. He's an overrated, injury-prone hack. I'll take the 23 year old developing QB that looks promising over the 33 year old (34 by the time pre-season starts) broken down QB who can't make it through an entire season. It'd do nothing to really help our franchise.
I still hate what he's done and don't want scumbag Ron Mexico on my team. Get Schaub, get McCown. go with Simms. Anybody but Vick
Geno played better the last 4 games of the season no doubt, but I think people like yourself overrate those games. First, I think the fact that he was so terrible leading up to that made them seem better than they were. The best thing he did was cut down on the turnovers in that span but he was passing for less than 200 yards per game and still was at 58% passing which is almost the same number you pointed out about Vick in MM's system as being bad. 3 of those 4 games were also against Oakland, Cleveland and Miami. The one game against a good team, Carolina, he was 15 of 28 for 167 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT. His footwork and mechanics in general are still awful and he needs to do a lot of work this offseason to correct them if he's going to be a viable starter going forward, let alone a "franchise QB". Thanks Mrs. Cleo. He's not great but he's clearly better than Geno right now IMO. Yes he's injury prone. OK, fine but if Geno doesn't improve immensely it's going to be another season of woeful offense if we don't have a legit backup plan at Qb. Please keep in mind that NFL DC's now have a year of tape to go to school on in the offseason.
Miami had a very good defense that kept them in the playoff race all year and he played pretty well against Carolina. he made the big mistake but if it was earlier in the year he would have been making them all game and we would have lost by 20-30. he improved greatly the last qtr of the season, I have to assume he'll get better w/ better weapons which he will have. if we get an improved version of the Geno from the last qtr of the season we will be a playoff team.
You know what sucks if Geno stunk against Oakland, Cleveland and Miami it would mean more than if he played well against those teams. That's dishonest to me.
Not sure what you mean. I was pointing out reasons why I think people over rate Geno's last 4 games. I clearly stated that he DID play much better. I'm just trying to put some perspective around it. It's not like we were watching some great quarterbacking the last 4 weeks of the season. It was much better than the stretch of games where he couldn't complete double digit passes, sure.
It was the first time all year he played reasonably well on a consistent basis. It is cause for optimism, w/ that said I am not sold on him 100% yet but I feel much better than I did heading into those last 4.
I understand your point. I just hate the whole " he did it against crappy teams" argument. Let's not forget that outside of that 3 or 4 horrendous stretch, he wasn't totally terrible in 2013.
The more I read about this and think about it the more I am on board. Idzik should go out and get this guy. Building a football team isn't worrying about loyalties or upsetting people, it's about getting the most talented players (see Seattle) Vick isn't perfect but he's certainly the most talented of the QBs available, and considering QB was one of this team's weaknesses last season it makes sense to go out and get this guy. There is always a limited window in this league and Idzik's honeymoon is almost over - get some talent. Sign Vick and one of the WRs available, draft that T.E. and this team gets respectable on offense. Respectable on offense might be all that's needed for a playoff spot with the talent on this defense. Signing Vick and making him the starter doesn't mean giving up on Geno Smith either. I think everyone acknowledged he needed time to be groomed. It couldn't happen last year with the circumstances, but it could happen this year.If Geno doesn't like taking a back seat to a proven veteran that still have more talent than him even at his age? Then tough shit kid, this is the NFL, grow up or you'll be out of a job.
yes he was. TB- mediocre @NE- awful Buf- decent @Ten- awful @ Atl- excellent Pit- awful NE- mediocre @ Cin- awful NO- not good @ Buf- awful @ Bal- awful Mia- awful
You have proven over the years that you know nothing about the QB position, so please for everyone's sanity, stay out of Geno Smith discussion from here on out. Thanks
TB-he did okay for a first game. NE- he had a decent outing, but the 3 picks in the 4th tainted his overall performance. Buf- he played well Tenn- his first true bad game ATL- his best game of the season up to that point Pitt- he was bad NE- he was good Cincy- horrible performance NO- he didn't do anything, the run game carried the offense Buf- horrible Bal- horrible MIA- horrible and got benched Oak- solid Car- solid Cle- best game of the season MIA- solid
