Even Brick will need time to acclimate to the pro's. He isn't going to just step in and dominate from day 1.
For me its 1.Williams 2.Davis 3.Young 4.hawk 5.Huff 6.Brick We can get mangold at 29 he'll be there,carpenter at 35 and maybe Davin Josepth if we can get him.
Here's the thing... We have 1 TE that cannot block, and really hasn't shown his full potential (Jolley). We have another TE coming off a season ending injury that has shown decent blocking, but nothing more than flashes as an offensive threat (Baker). Finally, we have a TE that only escaped being aN UFA due to his long snapping abilities (Dreesen). None of these guys can line up in the slot, or as a wide out. None of these guys are going to be more than a footnote in the other teams offensive plan. The case for Davis... On top of being an adequate (not great) blocker, he can line up anywhere. His speed and freakish abilities demand safety help if a LB is assigned to block him. That is now 1 safety that cannot be the 8th man in the box on run support, cannot rush the QB, and cannot double Coles. In essence, when you add a true playmaker like Davis you get to line up against 10 guys instead of 11. If they try to single cover Davis with anyone other than a freakishly athletic and big CB, he's going to be open 7 out of 10 times, and he's going for big yards. I'd be happy with a half dozen guys in the top 10, including Davis. I do NOT want a LT in the top 5.
When it comes to us selecting Davis, I'll reitterate what I've been saying all along. As long as the selection at 4 holds quality value, is at the top of our board, and fills a need I have no problems. W/ the holes we have on this team,especially on offense, I find it foolish for anyone to sit back and insist we take one player and one player only.We all have a fav. prospect and least fav., but to take a "____ or bust" attitude is not appropriate for draft day. Taking the BPA is what builds a talented corps, and builds quality depth. That's all we can ask for. Davis is an extremely talented player. Quite possibly the most physically gifted Tight end to ever come out of the draft. If he fits our system best, is at the top of our board, and selecing him at 4 is appropriate value..by all means go for it.
If we draft a TE in any portion of the first round, I will be furious. They are not foundation players. Not core talent. Some TEs have transcended the duties of the run of the mill TE, but landing those players is like catching Moby Dick. The odds of Davis doing so are against him.
center is not an immediate need. trey teague is a solid player who has started a ton of games in his career and will def be able to hold down the position for this year.
99% of the time I'd agree w/ you completely. However, there are 2 factors that change that way of thinking... 1. Davis is by far the most physically gifted tight end to ever enter the NFL draft. He has WR skills in a Tight ends body. He can do things ordinary TE's could never dream of doing.. 2. We have an OC that came from a team that had Antonio Gates, who by all accounts WAS a core talent. He is what made that offense click and made Tomlinson and Brees what they are considered today. If he believes Davis can be that player(and he has the skills to be AND more) than it could be a much better pick than it appears b/c Davis could be exactly what is needed to send this offensive scheme in the right direction. You are certanly entitled to your opinion, and like i said, normally i'd agree..but if ever there was an exception to this rule...this situation maybe it.
He probably is 4.3 at 263, he must be in the gym all day.That reminds me i need to go to the gym tommorow.
if we are this high on vernon davis however, id like to see us trade down with mayb san fran and take him a lil later( that is unless san francisco wants him for themselves then take him with the 4th)
huh? bolly was able to move the team and score points behind last year's o-line disaster. put some real targets in there and some o-line guys at center and guard, and we could score points. the question is , will we be able to get the defense off the field with trouble stopping the run and questionable pass rush and cbs.:sad:
We were 31st in total offense last season. A LOT of the defensive struggles can be attributed to the offense never giving them a break. The defense kept us in the games we did manage to win.
our secondary is in the upper half of the nfl and the question of our pass rush will be answered in the draft. our problem last year wasnt our defense, it was the amount of time our defense spent on the field (basically 90% of the game and yet still did a decent job) because our offense was goin 3 and out on every possesion. if we could up our time of possesion this year ull see that our defense is just fine.
This year: maybe ANY additional years: No We need a center in this draft. Mangold would be a good contender. It just depends on when the guys upstairs decide to take a Center.
Kurt, I respect your opinion on this, and I don't think that Davis will be a bust, but players with astounding physical abilities usually tend to rely more on those abilities in college than on the fundamentals of the game. Those are the ones I am most wary of, because there are times when they are not mentally prepared for the transition in all aspects from being a college player to being a professional, massive physical specimen or not. Gates is a good example of the type of player I was talking about in my post. He has gifts that translate well to confuse and confound defenses, however he was a walk-on who hadn't played football since high school. He is Moby Dick. Jeremy Shockey, Kellen Winslow, these guys are destined to be elite, but they are only blue whales. Gates is the only one of the three that I would consider worthy of a first rounder, but the other two made it on astounding feats of physical ability leading to great scouting marks. I know I'm leaving off the true elite in Heap and Gonzales, worthy first rounders with physical abilities that set them apart, but for every well-mannered elite TE that has a great work ethic, you'll get a bunch of basketcases. TEs in round 1 are just too much of a risk right now for me to entertain seriously with the state the team is in right now.
I've had enough bad experiences with first round tight ends here.... I'd feel much better about Mario or Ferg, whichever is on the table.
So you're telling me you don't like the inside trio of Kendall, Teague & Moore? Moore is a young talent with huge upside, Kendall has years left in him, and Teague definitely does too. We need an OT. VD at 4, McNeil at 29.
