Chris Baker can be productive when he isn't doing something stupid. But the guys goes into stretches where he disapears. He had the 100 yard recieving game last year. (BTW one more than Jmac) and then he went invisible and then he got hurt. Coles is good but he isn't the same player he was 4 years ago, he lost his fire and even though he was injured he never was a big time threat. Jmac was a disapointment even when he was healthy. He goes on the laundry list of mistakes made by the previous regime. I like Cotchery and I don't know why he wasn't given a chance, then again I do. So Herm and Bradway didn't have egg on their faces with the JMac deal. I didn't mean to call you out but I'm just tired of all htese people that think teh sky is falling if we don't draft D Brick. The guy is not the savior of the Jets (especially because his run blocking is less then desirable).
Just because we don't draft D'Brick doesn't mean we won't get some good Olineman in the mid rounds... I don't think you can say the same thing for playmakers...playmakers are usually selected in the first round...Yes I know there are playmakers after round one, but usually the best of the best are in Round one.
Actually you are wrong about Justin McCariens. He had a 100+ yard performance against Buffalo last year.
I didnt know if we dint get Brick that means that we will not be able to draft other lineman later and also as soon as Brick comes he will suddenly turn into walter Jones in his first game, some of u guys dont think before u post.
What I'm hoping, and yes, hope is a thin commodity, is that Chris Baker can become the threat that he has shown in flashes on the field. I'm looking at it this way, if we were going to draft Davis why did we resign Baker? We've got Jolley who has some potential as well. And don't forget Dressen (sp?) who may be the best of the three. We have three TEs on the roster. Should we take another? I think Cotchery deserves a chance. I think he can have a decent season in '06. Hey, I understand your frustration. I share it in some ways. I get tired of posters who focus on one player and think that he should be drafted regardless of the team situation, not saying this is the case with Davis. You made good points about Olinemen. I don't think that D'Brick is the only answer at Tackle. I think he would be a good choice at #4, but I also think that Mario Williams or AJ Hawk would be good picks. We need to get ourselves a center and, I think, a guard. I think, what gets me mad is the impression that I get from posters, not you, who think that a great QB or RB or TE will solve all our problems on Offense. We need a line to make our weapons viable and we do have some weapons on hand.
Every player talks up his own draft slot - it's how the game is played. That said, picture this: 1. Bush - HOU 2. Mario - NO 3. Leinert - TENN 4. V Young - TRADE WITH OAK 5. Hawk - GB 6. Ferguson/Davis - SF 7. Ferguson/Davis - NYJ Oakland would have to give up #7 and their 3rd+4th to make it roughly equal.
Although I'm all for drafting Vernon Davis, it is not going to happen. He is simply using us for leverage. He wants the team who truly values him to move up into the 4 spot so he can see more money. I hope its not the case, but, in all reality and likeliness, it is.
Did i say that any body said that. U basically impied it Do we really have to draft Brick that badly we have other players and other options.
I agree with you 100% Penny. Honestly, the only player on our team that other teams have to game plan against is stopping Vilma. Right now he's the only really impact player on our team that other teams would worry about. If we pick Brick, teams aren't going to say, "Oh my god, they have D'Brickashaw Ferguson! We have to put 10 guys on his side just to have a chance." But teams would have to make game plans to stop guys like Davis, Hawk, Leinart, Young, Bush, Williams...not only that but we don't need a LT, we need a RT! Our guards are above average and Teague is fine for this year. Like Penny said, and I've said over and over again, we need playmakers, and while there are tons of solid O-Lineman we can get in later rounds (we've done it before!), you can not get an impact player who's going to scare other offenses or defenses when we play them, at least not this year.
LT - Jones LG - Kendall OC - Eslinger @ 71 RG - Moore RT - Winston @ 29 Not to mention we have great depth players up and down both lines now. And this doesn't only apply to us taking Davis. Whether we get Williams, Hawk, Davis, Ngata, or Cutler with our top 10 pick, those are my guys at 29 & 71.
He says we seemed the most interested. Keep in mind the reports of our front office giving by far the most aggressive interviews to the top prospects in general. He's probably just looking at it from the scope of how our guys interviewed him, compared to the rest of the league's scouts. Tannenbaum and Mangini have received universal reports of being very extensive in their analysis of these guys. If this was mentioned, sorry, didn't feel like going through the whole thread. :breakdance:
I agree with everything you said except for the LT comment... I honestly think Jets fans have made Adrian Jones into something he really isn't. Adrian is a decent player, but Adrian Jones is never going to be a top 10-15 LT... News flash to all the Brick haters...LT is one of the most important positions in football. Jonathan Ogden, Walter Jones, and Orlando Pace all are considered elite LT's...and ALL of them have played in at least one superbowl. LT is not a minor position. It is a need area because of its importance and because of the average player playing the position. Will I complain if we draft Brick? Hell no... Will I complain if we draft AJ Hawk? Hell no... Will I complain if we draft Mario Williams? Hell no... Will I complain if we draft Matt Leinart? Hell no... Will I complain if we draft Reggie Bush? Hell no... Will I complain if we draft Vernon Davis? Hell no... The reason I mentioned all of those players, is because they all either give us a much needed upgrade or they fill in a huge hole. Thats why I can't stand it when people say they will start riots if Brick is picked or stuff along those lines...its just crazy talk.
There are other options. I would be happy with Mario Williams or AJ Hawk at #4 as well. Look, my big fear is that I'll be seeing Vernon Davis wide open throwing up his hands in frustration as our QB is sacked again. Maybe I'm shell shocked from last season's Oline debacle or maybe I remember the Oline we had during the 80s too fondly, but I'd love D'brick and Mangold in the 1st round.
I agree with you there. We have three good TEs on the roster. I can't see us picking a TE. I can't really see us picking a QB either.
I'd take Davis.... I'd hope we would trade down to get Davis though... There's so many players that are a great fit for us we can move down to 10-11 and still get one. Bush Mario Hawk Davis Ferguson Huff Ngata Justice Leinart Young Cutler
