Verizon giving phone records to NSA

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  1. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    You should go back to being a big wheel money making machine. You're pretty bad at posting on the internet.
     
  2. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    We were in trouble 12 hours ago.
     
  3. Satan

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    mods can merger pls :)
     
  4. jilozzo

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    i am convinced - u have gone mad.;)

    IMO the redis is back and stronger than ever, with a tweak - continue to take take take from the suburban middle class - which is a recipe for economic disaster.
     
  5. jilozzo

    jilozzo Well-Known Member

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    no doubt byz this has been occuring for decades - and likely goes back to the cold war days.
     
  6. jilozzo

    jilozzo Well-Known Member

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    my girls are from 14 down to 7 and i am starting place the seeds in the older ones minds about different trades and such. acquire a skill and become an expert at it - no one can take that away from you.....

    but u better be a permanent fixture on the honor roll while doing it.
     
  7. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

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    Good screen name for a former KGB agent.
     
  8. displacedfan

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    Oh no I believe they've been doing this forever on all cell networks, but I'm wondering if the recorded asking for this information is related to the marathon bombings.
     
  9. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Well, the government and media pretty much cooperated in the effort to make everyone feel warm fuzzies about the overt street camera surveillance that helped them catch the bombers.

    So I think that this will be justified by the powers that be in the name of national security. Funny how a tragedy that causes mass panic will convince people to feel better about giving up their right to privacy and freedom.
     
  10. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    You don't understand the redistributive economics that were in play until 1981.

    My first full year of work was as a coding clerk at a Wall Street brokerage in 1980. I made nothing, like $14K a year, but we were breaking in the new computer systems of the day. We were moving from a paper driven system with thousands of filing cabinets to a mainframe based system in which much of the record-keeping was on tape instead.

    When you make a change like that everything gets double-recorded while you are making the transition. You still have all the filing cabinets and you also have all the electronic data entry alongside that. I worked like 16 hours a day that year and I built up a huge amount of overtime, almost doubling my compensation. I wound up making like $23K that year or something like that.

    So halfway through the year my gross was rising dramatically but my checks started getting smaller and smaller. I was working more hours but the net on my paychecks was shrinking. This is because all the OT was pushing me up a bracket.

    Making $14K I owed 2,300 or so in federal taxes. At $23K I owed $5,100, and so LBKL struggled to make the adjustment for me, withholding the amount that would sort of balance me out for the year. NY State had a similar tiered tax system and my tax rate was gong up there as well as the year went on.

    My overall tax rate everything considered including Social Security, Medicare, Federal, State and Local was about 33% on a $14K salary but it was 45% on a 23K salary. By the end of the year my checks were having well over 50% taken out to try to balance things out.

    And I was a fairly low income in the scheme of things.

    We've been very spoiled by the credit card economy of the last 3 decades and our status as the most widely held international currency. It's allowed us to pretend that we didn't have to pay taxes. That's going to end.
     
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  11. Biggs

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    I gave up the right the first time my smart phone asked if it was okay to use my current location and did a search on Google.
     
  12. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

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    FYI that's a complete fabrication. The Republican health care plan would have moved the entire industry to operate from a couple of unregulated states. It would have removed all protection for both insured and uninsured patients who needed major ongoing medical attention.
     
  13. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    You didn't give up the right. You acquiesced to the reality that if the government is going to violate the Constitution it often takes a long time to correct the problem and you needed to get on with what you were doing.

    The thing to realize about the situation we're all in is that lawful activities are not always Constitutional. The Law is not the same thing as the Constitution, as the Supreme Court reminds us over and over again when they overturn a law on Constitutional grounds.

    There's going to be a reckoning over privacy issues at some point in the next decade or two and the odds are excellent that the existing surveillance regimes will fall in that reckoning.
     
  14. displacedfan

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    It's amazing what smartphones can customize when they have your locations, it's also scary how precise they can get your location and map it out
     
  15. Biggs

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    Suicide by Drone strike app.
     
  16. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    The 1993 Republican National Healthcare Plan

    http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2010/february/23/gop-1993-health-reform-bill.aspx

    Title I:

    "Title I: Basic Reforms to Expand Access to Health Insurance Coverage and to Ensure Universal Coverage - Subtitle A: Universal Access - Provides access to health insurance coverage under a qualified health plan for every citizen and lawful permanent resident of the United States."
     
  17. Biggs

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    1993- You realize Ronal Reagan would be to far to the left to win the Republican Convention in the year the Health Care act was passed. Look who authored it a Liberal Republican reformer who was pushed out of the party.

    What the Republicans were pushing for in the last real battle was interstate competition. What that really means is Health insurance companies would mover from regulated states to unregulated States and sell insurance to everyone from unregulated States. Remember what happened to interest rates when Credit Card companies got the same gig? Go back and take a look at rates.
     
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  18. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    On the whole Law vs Constitutionality issue: Japanese Americans reported lawfully to the Manzanar internment camp in 1942. It wasn't Constitutional in any manner at all to require them to report to those camps but they reported lawfully anyway.

    I assume that most people reading this would refuse to report to an internment camp even under a lawful order and would instead defend their Constitutional rights to the end.
     
  19. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    That's beside the point. The point is that the Republicans have moved so far to the right that they represent an anarchistic faction at this point. They routinely fight the political opposition as if they were in a death struggle and this includes dropping any point of agreement that might be there and immediately taking the opposite position.

    They're hostage takers.
     
  20. Barcs

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    The American Dream now is to find a legal loophole to sue for millions over because of something that was your fault in the first place (ie spilling coffee on yourself or slipping on an icy sidewalk in the winter).
     

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