The team has had 1 SB and 4 trips to the AFC championship. The SB team had the No. 1 D in the league and had a great running attack. Of course they had Namath. People forget that team was a big time running team coupled with a big time D. Namath was highly dialed back on the championship team. We ran the ball 43 times against the Colts. The next run came with Dick Todd. Freeman McNeil carried that team to two playoff wins. Shula had the tarp pulled and flooded the field to stop him in the AFC finals The next run came with veteran Journey man Vinnie T, Curtis Martin and a very good D coupled with two HOF coaches. We got blown out by the Bronco's who were carried that year by their running back Terrell Davis who had one of the great playoff runs of any running back in NFL history. Followed by Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez. All D all running game and a pretty bad game manager who did have a big game against the Pats on the road. The reason you need a franchise QB is it gives you stability at the key position and allows you to build a team around the face of the franchise. That doesn't mean you don't need all the other parts. If you have all the other parts you can win a SB with a journeyman QB. There have been plenty of not so great backup quality QB's who have won SB. Last year two B QB's were in the NFC finals and one of them won the SB against a weak Pats team with a great QB. The problem with this draft in a nutshell is the QB class is overhyped and you have a potential historically great running back available. Mac has his hands full with this decision. He has to take a can't miss QB in a year where there are lots of QB's who could go in the first and second round and none of them can't miss. Picking third, he doesn't have his choice. He also gave up a tremendous amount of value to move up. One thing is sure. Mac's future as an NFL GM is riding on this pick. You have to give him credit for putting his future on the line. I'll be disappointed if we don't get a QB but if we get Barkley and they make some very smart moves and end up winning a championship because of it, I suspect there are going to be a ton of Barkley jersey's in the Meadowlands on game day. I can't imagine we aren't going QB but anyone who boos the pick of Barkley is flat out nuts. The Giants built 2 SB teams on an outside linebacker.
Speaking as a fan of Fournette, and Barkley, and having advocated drafting both at one time or another, this was really eye-opening. It has changed my perspective on the value of RBs. Thanks...I think.
It's been proven that a team can win a SB with an average QB IF they have a great defense and running game, but that was before about 10 years ago. Now it's not as true. And it's not the best way to build a sustainable SB team - you could "catch lightening in a bottle" the way you suggest, but the best approach is to have a FQB and build around him. The problem that the Jets have had is believing they could avoid taking that risky gamble of investing in a FQB and building a team around him. The last time they did that was with Namath and it worked out, but then they went away from that formula. Yes, defense is important, and a strong running game. but THE most important thing is to have a great QB if at all possible. That's a crapshoot though, and so teams try to win in a more "predictable" way by building a strong "D" and running game, both of which are cheaper, and as I said more predictable, than the FQB route. The problem with that approach though is that while it might make a team a playoff contender, they'll usually fall short of a championship because they lack that "difference-maker" at QB. And so they'll end up in an endless cycle of purgatory, just good enough to make the playoffs and have mediocre draft picks that prevent them from getting a top QB prospect without having to trade up or get ridiculously lucky. I completely agree that Macc has to get this right.
I think if you like 2 QBs more than the rest and they get taken, I have no issue taking Saquon. That said, if that were the case, we shouldn't have traded up to begin with (and I wasn't a fan of the trade personally).
While I don't disagree with your sentiment, plenty of mediocre Qbs have won in the past decade. Eli won 2, Peyton won one where he played like crap and was old and broken down in 2015, a backup QB just won the SB against a top 5 QB all time. The stats have been a bit skewed due to brady and the pats dominating and winning 5 rings, and making the SB 8 times in his career.
Which is exactly why we liked AT LEAST 3 QBs at that pick. That's what the Barkley homers are forgetting.
Dude, you are clueless. The Jets aren't trading back. You couldn't be more wrong about Mayfield. If he looks so bad in your eyes, then I suggest you go get your vision checked immediately! He is not a wild card.
I'm fully aware of that. Clearly, the Jets are all in on a QB and think there's 3 who fit the bill. I've gone on record saying I'm not sold on any of them but no use complaining at this point. We'd better come out with a QB who checks the box of Franchise QB. I don't want another project either. By the end of year 2, we need to be able to say "this is our guy for the foreseeable future." Another Hackenburg situation in unacceptable, regardless of any potential shown.
I would say Eli is better than mediocre - not "great", but definitely above average, not based purely on stats, but what he brings to the team in leadership and clutch play. Even "broken down" Peyton was better than most QBs, and again, his experience and leadership made him extremely valuable. What I neglected to say in my earlier post is that the Jets HAVE tried the way of "mediocre QB and strong defense" and where has is gotten them? No SBs. You can argue that they came close recently with mediocre Sanchez, but the fact remains they didn't do it, and that was due to not having that difference-maker QB IMO. I firmly believe in the strategy of you keep taking your best shot at QB until you find one. Trying to eliminate the risk by building an "impregnable defense" is fool's gold. And this is even more true with the NFL going more and more to favoring high-scoring games.
to be fair to the jets though sanchez was horrible and we still made back to back AFC champ games. If he was even medicore, we could have won a SB or at worst made one. I like Eli, i just find him to be overrated. he doens't go out and dominate all year like the top Qbs do, But i can see how one would consider him better then medicore as well.
I don't thin Sanchez was horrible. I think he was made to look much worse because the Jets didn't use him properly - the product - AGAIN! - of D-minded HC, and stupid decisions made that allowed the talent he needed to support him evaporate. And then the really stupid decision to put him into that meaningless PS game where he got hurt. If there was a recipe for ruining a QB, the Jets wrote one with Sanchez.
Sanchez was literally so dull, that we had to make a color code system for him where it was 1 read and if the receiver wasn't open throw it away.
He was the weak link on the 2 AFC Championship game teams. An average QB probably gets us to 1 Super Bowl. His deep throws to Edwards were great when they connected.
he did throw a pretty deep ball at times. He just had no idea how to play the position. We had to simplify the offense to the level of a pee-wee football team
No, we don't know who Mac will take, but we pretty well know who he shouldn't take at #3, and Barkley heads that list. Seeing how he traded three 2nd round picks to move up to #3, the Jets are desperate for a FQB, and there are 4 QBs who are all considered excellent FQB prospects, we should know that he's going to take a QB. We don't know who he will take because some of the crazy decisions and moves he has made in the draft and FA, we don't know which QBs will fall to #3, and which QBs he likes best. I can tell you that if he does take Barkley and doesn't take a QB he (and the Jets) will be the laughingstock of the NFL once again, and he can kiss his job and career goodbye, and probably Bowles too. If he were to make that pick, he should be fired on the spot and not even allowed to finish the draft. FQBs are that important and even an above average QB is more valuable than a stud, potential HOF RB. That's just the way the NFL is these days. The stability that getting a FQB would bring to this franchise is something that this franchise desperately needs. I get that Barkley is a phenomenal player, perhaps the most "sure thing" in the draft and the most talented player in the draft. It would be a neat story to add a player like that who loves the Jets and is a Jets fan. In the end, however, that's all it would be. It doesn't matter what team players grew up rooting for, it only matters that they play well for the team that drafted them. The truth is that there isn't that much difference between Barkley and Michel or Barkley and Guice or Barkley and Penny. GMs cannot "fall in love" with players or they won't keep their jobs for long.
