We could get Bedard and Haren for about 3/4 the value of Santana. I'm much more in favor of making those moves over any move for Santana at this point. Let Boston waste their talent on him if that's what they really want. There are 7 years between Hughes and Santana. I'd much rather have a future than a "chance" at next year.
I can't help but think the Yankees may have come to that conclusion too and wouldn't mind a bit if they end up pulling out of this now.
Like I said, I would really like the Yankees and Boston to both pull out now. All anyone is going to try anymore is to get the Yankees and Sox in a bidding war. It's like having 30 incarnations of Scott Boras running around now. As hard as it is for both clubs, we should unite this one time to show the rest of the league that while we will compete to the end of the Earth, we won't simply hand away our futures to anyone who asks.
Boston fans are unhappy about including Ellsbury in the deal. Folks around here were divided about Buccholz, as some folks constantly overrate prospects and developing players....but it is nearly 100% disapppointment at putting Ellsbury on the table. I'd be happy to tell the Twins "GFY" and hope they end up giving Santana away for next to nothing......or having him refuse a deal to some third team and they get nothing for him...that would be sweet.:up:
That may not be a bad idea, if they colluded to boycott a team once in awhile, when you get a situation like this. If you did it on this deal, it would make a legit threat to use in the next one if the Sox and Yankees said to the next team "Well, looks like we can't get anything done here, so the Yankees and Sox are leaving the table....good luck, a-holes", tip their caps and have the two big players walk out.
The Twins lost a lot of leverage over the Yankees with the return of Pettitte. The Yankees aren't desperate for another starter, and we have a lefty back in the rotation. I'm hoping the Twins do not accept the offer.
Exactly. Again, it's hard for either side to agree on something of this magnitude. Obviously, by either of us leaving the table we run the risk of the other jumping on the chance to make a steal. However, the overall effect on future negotiations if we both thumb our noses is good for both teams. As much as I hate the Sox, I don't want to see them used as bargaining chips for the rest of the league to artificially inflate values, any more than I want to see it happen to the Yankees. It's just bad business for both of us.
Neither side is a victim in all this... which ever team gets him the other will take some pleasure in the fact that they damaged their future longterm
I'm actually hoping that the Twins do say okay just for Hank to say "nah, we're not interested anymore" just to F with them the way they have been F'ng with us.
I don't know about that....Pettite is a good pitcher, but he isn't in the same as Santana or Beckett. He's just a mid rotation pitcher. I'm not knocking the guy, I think more highly of him than Steinbrenner, I think....but he doesn't affect this negotiation at all, I don't think. He's not the ACE that will be the stud starter in the playoffs.
Actually, Andy is an ace in the playoffs. He always has been a fantastic postseason pitcher. Andy coming back is big news, and surely affects the Yankees' position in the Santana sweepstakes.
Just an article about the Sox including Ellsbury. I suspect it is true because the Twins have a real hard on for the guy. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp...news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos&partnered=rss_bos I know Pettite has done well in the playoffs, but if you put him head to head against Beckett in 1 series twice, and Santana in a second series twice, you still think he's an ace?
Also, whichever team gets him the other will get Bedard or Haren anyway so what's the difference? Other then about 25 million a year. A lot of GMs have questions about Santana anyway. Last year could have been a fluke or the beginning of a decline. That a lot of talent and a lot of money for anybody to be giving up with questions out there.
youre a little off base with the A-rod comments but I agree with you as far as pulling the santana deal off the table....the yanks cant at any point officially state that theyre out of the pursuit...makes no sense as you said...then it becomes a lay up for the sox
I do. You already mentioned his playoff record. Just look at what he did this year in game 2 of our ALDS. On top of that he was one of the best pitchers in baseball over the second half of the season with a 10-2 record. In the first half he got no run support at all. Add that to the fact that his lifetime winning percentage is .64 to Santana's .67 and he is very close, not to mention he did most of that in the AL east not the central. I would much rather have him in a post season series then Beckett.
That's a tough sell. Obviously, Beckett and Santana are two names you couldn't not like your chances in a short series with. However, the same goes for Andy. The difference would be whose bats were hotter, IMO. If the Yankees bats are hotter than the Sox, I'll take Pettitte on the mound against either of them, and yes, I'm serious. If Sox have the hotter bats though, it's Boston's series to lose.
I wouldn't go that far. But Beckett isn't available, so I'll take Andy, at a much reduced cost from Santana, while simultaneously keeping all of our young guys.
Not necessarily. It then may become a deal either the Angels or Dodgers get involved in. By then Cabrera should either be a done deal or not for one of them. Even the Mets could get involved with the Yankees out of it.
Maybe it's because the Yankees have their way with Beckett as often as they don't. He really doesn't scare the Yankees very much at all.
No pitcher actually "scares" the Yankees. That's the advantage of $250 million. But to think you'd want any pitcher in the majors pitching for you in an October series over Beckett right now is just crazy talk. I despise the guy, but if he were in pinstripes, I'd already be making my plans for the parade.
