First of all, it's absolutely astounding that the Mets are stil leading the division. Legitimately unbelievable. Second of all, I think the Mets will turn it around, simply because they aren't this bad. The talent is there. So, at one point, we can only hope and assume that the Mets will go on some torrid winning streak. Maybe Alou can jumpstart that; I don't know. Until we win two and a row though, I'm not sure I'm going to watch another game. It's just painful for me and pathetic for them.
Went to the game tonight and was so dissapointed in the current state of the Mets right now. This team is lost and just has nothing working for them right now....Can't wait till we play some soft NL teams back on our schedule. Cinci and Pittsburgh are coming up, right?
Afraid not. They've played their last 18 games against teams currently over .500 (both NL and AL), and have lost 14 of them. Ten of the next 14 games are also against teams that are currently over .500. Everyone knew that June was going to be a tough month, but they needed to win at least 45% of the games, not 25%. If this doesn't turn around, they could easily be about .500 overall on the 4th of July.
I disagree. I think the Mets are this bad. I wasn't sold on this team when they were winning games because they weren't playing that well then, despite the record. the pitchng was better than anticipated, and they were scoring runs, but were leaving far too many runners on base and not playing sound baseball. eventually that will catch up to you, and when the breaks stop coming your way, if you aren't playing well the record will show it over the course of a season. you can only hide so long. the Mets are lucky to be where they are right now.
We aren't this bad period. For one thing we were playing sound baseball, scoring runs and pitching well, and I don't buy the pitching better than anticipated garbage, that was just a silly media concoction to find a fault with the team. It isn't possible to be truly this bad while essentially carrying the exact same team that only 1 year ago completely dominated a league, while the rest of our competition didn't really get better. This is just a combination of multiple players having terrible years, bad injuries and a few players who should not have been brought here.
again, I disagree. when your pitchers are all pitching better than they have ever pitched, or better than they have pitched in recent history, than yes, IMO, they were pitching better than anticipated. what does that mean? well, you anticipate players to play on par to how they have done so in the recent past -- the basis for your anticipation. so, if you expect the offense to play well because they did so recently in the past, you can't also logically anticipate pitchers who have not played this well to do so, or else your reasoning is either flawed or simply biased. the same way Delgado has been a disapointment - his play compared to last year -- the pitchers were playing better than last year (or recent history). it is simply applying the same criteria to the pitching that I am sure you use to evaluate Delgado's disapointing performance. that's logic, not a media concoction. and how can players or a team that is virtually the same from last year be this drastically different? simple. sometimes performance simply doesn't carry over from year to year, that is why you have to take advantage of the opportunities that are presented when they are presented and bunt over the tying runs in the bottom of the 9th.
I think you're way off base here. Glavine certainly isn't outperforming expectations or anywhere close to pitching the best he's ever pitched. El Duque and Maine may have slightly lower ERA's then they did last season but their peripherals are right in line with last year's performance. Perez is obviously pitching alot better then he did last year but he's done this before and you knew he had the talent to do it again. Sosa would be the only one that would fit the criteria of doing better then anyone had a right to think and even there he's a year removed from a 2.55 ERA with the Braves.
my point isn't that they aren't pitching well, it is that early in the season they were (some - not all ) pitching much better than expected. now that they have come back to their norms -- which doesn't mean bad, just the level that they usually pitch -- the team is struggling, because the norms are giving up 3-4 runs per game, and the offense has shown a complete inability to match that. of course the Mets looked great when the pitchers were shutting battters down, then it didn't matter how many runners the Mets left on base, they scored enough to win. but as soon as teams started scoring on the Mets pitching consistently, the Mets continued to drive runners in poorly -- which they have been doing all season long -- but now it is compounded by the inability to bring anyone home, not just leaving most on base. early in the season, good pitching camoflauged this, but the Mets "normal" pitching performances can't. the Mets are a bad offensive team which good pitching. early in the season the Mets were a okay offensive team with superior pitching. obviously the results from each are going to be different.
Even with this horrible June where they lost nearly half a run a game off their season average the Mets are still 4th in the NL in runs per game. They were better then an "okay" offensive team at the start of the year.
QFT. If the Mets are an "okay" offensive team, I see about 12 teams in the NL that have very mediocore or poor offenses.
the Mets are the best offensive team in the NL, when Delgado actually hits like he should. No question about it. The pitching is obviously the question, as it has been all along. But our pitching is good enough for us to win the division going away.
Yeah, I agree with that. This month was terrible, but it's only a month. I don't see how a healthy Mets offense is not great. Meanwhile, other than a rough patch, the bullpen has been better than average, and as has been discussed on this board, the starting pitching has been pretty good.
not over the past 2-3 weeks. pitching has been very inconsistent, with more bad than good. 2 games separate us and 3rd place. If we don't start playing well soon, there's gonna be trouble.
I am not debating the statistics. my position is based on their propensity to leave too many runners in scoring position. even when we were scoring, we left too many runners on base. now we can't drive anyone in. this inability has been consistent all year and is why I only consider the offense okay.
Those kinds of things even themselves out over the course of a season. Of course we're seeing things go in the opposite direction now with Alou out for who knows how long, Delgado having fell off a cliff in terms of production and Beltran sliding back towards his "boo him everytime he comes up" 2005.
You mean the same Colorado Rockies who have almost the exact same record as the Mets? The last thing any Mets fan should be doing right now is looking down their noses at the fans of any other team.
