Tulsa, Oklahoma Police Shooting

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  1. typeOnegative13NY

    typeOnegative13NY Well-Known Member

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    i really wish people who think like you could ha e a week of experience on the job. I really think you have absolutely no idea how quickly someone in that situation can fire on a cop. It happens in the blink of an eye. The whole his hands were up narrative is bs. He had them up shortly , but then despite being told to stop, kept walking away and then reached into his car. That is when he was shot. He was intact unarmed; but the whole rainbow and ponies way of thinking that cops should wait til they take a bullet before they react is getting beyond ridiculous
     
  2. Greenday4537

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    So it's okay to shoot someone for ignoring an order?

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  3. greaser

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    You're kidding right. So the vehicle didn't have a registration? She had no idea who she was dealing with? C'mon man think!
    There is zero debate that a lawful order was given and ignored this is fact.
    She is being charged because they believe they have enough evidence for man slaughter for the shooting.
    You really do have a fundamental misunderstanding of the evidence and how it is relevant to procedure and law.
     
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    Greenday4537 Well-Known Member

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    He wasn't reaching into the car. Watch the helicopter video. Dude was standing up against the car when the officer shot at him for no reason.

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  5. greaser

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    No, in my opinion based on the evidence I've seen from the chopper video; his hand were not in the air, he was either reaching in the car or pockets and she will be cleared of wrong doing barring any further developments.
    Had he complied, follwed lawful orders he would be in jail for his previous crimes and not tragically killed.
     
  6. zace

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    Btw he had no warrants. Im not assuming youre a racist, im just assuming youre defending a sister in blue. Which trust me, im usually on that side. But this was wasn't justifisble. No registration doesn't equal shooting.

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  7. JetBlue

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    Tell me where I addressed how black parents raise their kids. Strawman -- logical fallacy two. Are you going for the logical fallacy hat trick?
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Do you think every white person complies with the police? If not, are the ones that did not comply, are they dead or did they take them to Burger King?
     
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  9. typeOnegative13NY

    typeOnegative13NY Well-Known Member

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    Cops don't just shoot at people for no reason despite what they say at Starbucks. Take into consideration how it will affect a cops life when they shoot someone fatally. I'll bet not one ever wants to. Even if I had to defend my life down to my last option , I would never want to ha e to kill someone I can't imagine how I would be haunted by it.
     
  10. zace

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    Not worth the effort. Don't obfscate the fact that you have no idea what you say, by redirecting what was asked of you. That trick don't work on me.

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  11. typeOnegative13NY

    typeOnegative13NY Well-Known Member

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    I have been wondering lately.... Since it's a fact that cops kill more than twice the amount of white people yearly, and not one ever makes the news . Are we to assume that every time a white person is killed by cops it must have been justified ?
     
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  12. greaser

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    No, you again failed to grasp. I didn't say he had no registration. A vehicle's registration is intended for agencies to identify whom the vehicle belongs too. I said this because you stated she didn't know who she was dealing with. I in turn pointed out that the vehicle was registered to him.
    I apologize for the condescending tone but I apparently need to make everything as simple as possible for you dispite your self proclaimed higher education.
    You can think whatever you like about me by the way. You're obviously feeling cornered and lashing out with names.
     
  13. GreenWhiteandGold

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    I've read this thread and the similar ones that have gone before. Not wanting to sound stupid but it's something I really don't understand, why are cops shooting to kill and not to injure? Like here is it not feasible that if she fears he is reaching for something in the car, then blow his knee out and incapacitate him rather then shooting to kill?
     
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    So she is supposed to wait for him to be violent before drawing her weapon. When you are one on one with a cop and not following orders the gun is coming out. Thats the way it works. The wild days me has had a few cops draw on me and when they do it means fun times over time to calm down. She may end up guilty of sonething because she most likely over reacted, but the subject bears some responsibility for what happened because it was still his actions that brought her to draw.
    Life lesson, never give a cop a reason to draw a weapon and your chance of being shot by a cop is astronomically low.
     
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    Lmao ok obviously you weren't smart enough to comprehend. First in that statement, i never called you a name. Second he had no warrants. Youre trying to smear him, and im not sure why. Youre wrong, theres nothing you can say to make your right. You don't hear anyone crying out about the Minnesota shooting where the perp was stabbing people. That's justifiable, this is not.

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    FJF, the thing I don't understand is why shoot to kill? Go for the leg, arm and put the person down if they are getting violent, but this lady overreacted she shouldn't have a weapon. You got a valid point no doubt, and you are lucky nothing bad happened to you that's some scary ass shit man.
     
  17. greaser

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    Good question and it gets asked a lot. The answer is more complicated than it seems.
    Firstly, in a fire fight, life and death situation and fight or flight responses there is an actual physiological change that happens in your body. Areas of your brain intended for thought and problem solving shut down. This is why untrained people 'freeze up'.
    When this happens, repetition and muscle memory from training takes over. So the thought of,"I'll just wing the guy" could never come into play.
    Secondly, center mass. You shoot center mass and that is it. Thats the way you train and it is to stop whatever action the individual is taking immediately. Death is really just a byproduct of stopping the action as quickly as possible.
    There other reasons too, shot placement is effected under stress and the chest is a big target. Less than leathal tools are also already available.

    This is a super cool article that is more articulate than I am. Though not specific to your question it addresses the training and brain physiological and psychological changes.

    http://taskandpurpose.com/this-is-y...tm_content=tp-facebook&utm_campaign=community
     
  18. greaser

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    I read a report that he had 5 warrants backed up by another source. I don't have time to hold your hand anymore.
    Say goodbye please and move on.

    http://www.worldnewspolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/crutcheropenwarrants-470x286.jpg
     
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    http://www.salon.com/2016/09/22/sea...ere-was-numerous-warrants-out-for-his-arrest/

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    “Well I’ll tell you I looked up his history and I’m not seeing a lot of criminal history. We have something called the OSCN, the Oklahoma Supreme Court Network,” Mills told Hannity. “I was able to find a protective order from 12 years ago that was dismissed. I found a couple of financial things. There’s no violent criminal history for Mr. Crutcher that I’ve been able to uncover. ”
     
  20. greaser

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    Interesting I found this. I guess the truth will sift it's way out soon. I was genuinely unaware that there was any contention to the warrants claim.

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