Well when I sign off I cannot reply can I? For sure I would not have hired anyone with the last name Shotty. I would not have drafted supposed book ends since that is more myth the reality. Just think of this very carefully unless Brick is a all star for the next say 10 years & is elected to the HOF we wasted a #4 overall pick on a just average ball player. Do you think that was worth it for a #4? I sure do not especially when we had needs in many other areas also. Now it comes out that CM informed the FO that they should draft a RB cause he told them he could not go but they still drafted a OLman. I have no idea of your age but I go back to when we drafted Powell/Ward/Cadigan in the 1sr round all OLman & all supposed "bookends" who turned into just average to below average ball players. When I see improvement in the quality of the players I will dial you up immediately & inform you of it OK? Until then I will sitl on the negative side of the ball cause in my EVULATION most of the players we have are minor league players playing major league FB. By the time 2010 rolls around & MAYBE the NYJs are competive again just about every NYJ now on the roster will be a after thought in the mind of most NYJ fans since they will all be gone. The blame for all this lies directly on Woody cause he hired dumbway & most probably approved of the germ as well as the HC.
Win I gave this much overnite thought & sorry to say you are just PRESUMING from Man's action of making CP starting QB that he thinks they have a better team then it shows on paper. Well I think you knew from the outset the QB thing was rigged from day 1 to favor CP otherwise they would have brought in better quality to compete against him them a CR & BB & the rook. To go along with your theroy that we are the best of worst of the dregs who do U see as the bottom feeders say besides Hout/TN/Bflo & Cle? I already gave U 8 teams that U more/less agreed on paper are better then us so which 3 of those 8 do you think will bubble down opening up a PO space for us? I am trying very hard to go along with your thoughts here but I am finding it difficult as I do not find them reasonable since I cannot see us bubbling up enough with no running game to allow CP to play fake for us to score many points. If we have many 3 & outs no matter how superior our D maybe they will become spent as the game wears on surrendering a whole passal of points then in the second half if I understood what you posted about our D being the key to winning is correct. Again, hopefully you are correct but sorry to say I cannot support your premise
I certainly like the pick of an OLman that projects to be star in the NFL at #4 a hell of a lot better then the pick of a "bowling ball with knives" that was a workout warrior and had a degenerative knee condition.
Thats fair enough Champ. I am not that upset with the Brick pick but i would have loved just for once for this team to go after the solid gold playmaker when they had the chance. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how this all pans out. But i will definetly try to enjoy the ride or it's just not worth it.
Champ I really respect your opinion but I think you are WAY off here. Picking D'Brick was as solid a pick as the Jets could've made and here is why... looking around the NFL, what is consistent EVERY single year with the team who wins the Super Bowl... that's right, they have an awesome offensive line. The year the Jets went to the AFC championship, what did we have... an awesome offensive line. Why are the Broncos always competitive with scrubs like Jake Plummer and Tatum Bell in their backfield?... they have an awesome offensive line. I see your point about picking offensive linemen who are touted to be All-Pros and then become scrubs, but honestly this can happen at ANY position. The draft is a crapshoot, and has been throughout the history of the NFL. That is why sixth and seventh rounders, as well as undrafted players come into the league and outperform first, second, and third rounders... the NFL is a different beast than the NCAA, but the FOs around the league can only do so much to determine who is going to successfully make the transition and who is not. Reggie Bush has as much "bust" potential as D'Brickashaw Ferguson... and in the end, chances are Ferguson gives us a better shot at helping us to a Super Bowl than Bush, because while Bush might break open a play where he should've gotten nothing two or three times a game, Ferguson gives a shitty running back like Barlow a chance to overachieve on every single play... assuming Ferguson pans out that is. The Jets need an offensive line more than anything. Starting with Brick and Mangold is a perfect way to go. Walt Michaels knew this when he was the head coach of the Jets, and had the Jets going in the right direction by using most of his early draft picks on offensive and defensive linemen. He understood that championships were won and lost in the trenches. He was able to succeed in the running game by using a platoon of running backs who would be considered scrubs from a talent standpoint in Clark Gaines and Scott Dierking, as well as Kevin Long and Tom Newton. These players certainly were no Reggie Bush, but they got the job done because they played with an awesome offensive line. With all that went wrong last year, the MAIN reason the Jets went 4-12 was because of their wretched o-line play. We went from having a top 3 o-line in the league in 2004, which led to Curtis being the leading rusher in the NFL, to having the worst in the entire league in 2005, which led to no holes for the running backs and no time for the QBs, and our starting and backup QBs getting demolished, literally. What good is Reggie Bush running behind Adrian Jones at LT? Adrian Jones couldn't even win the starting RT job vs. washout Anthony Clement (though if Herm and Bradway were still in town Adrian Jones would not only be starting, he'd probably get a massive contract extension and pay raise). We have a new coach and GM who understand that the Jets are not built to win a Super Bowl yet, and they understand how to go about building one. This year may have been much more fun to watch with Reggie Bush lining up behind center, but he would not have brought us to a Super Bowl, nor is he going to take New Orleans there. We have 2/5 of the future of the Jets Super Bowl championship team in place now, and hopefully they pan out to be just that. If they turn out to be minor league offensive linemen like you claim, then, well... sucks for us. Ten more years of mediocrity. But if they pan out, we've got building blocks for the future. I haven't seen much yet to cause me to distrust our FO/CS... I agree Schotty probably wasn't the best hire, but I still want to see him coach a regular season game before I tear him limb from limb. D'Brick was the right pick.
anyone else notice that the quality of threads is picking up now that we can smell football?????keep it up fellas.......(although this gay rah rah post of mine kinda interrupts the thread)...as you were
Sorry appreciate all you say but dial me up in a couple of years & we will see where we stand concerning the 06 draft. Sorry I disagree that Brick was the correct pick & if I am saying IF what was aired about him on ESPN is even 50% correct we will be regretting this pick like others we have made thru the years that have dove tailed on us. To my way of thinking we wasted a great chance to MAYBE get a impact player & instead opted for a a probable average player with a #4 pick. It is thinking like that that has made us a overall under 500 team + not winning the SB in 37 years. Look at other dreg teams & they to are that way cause there drafts also wind up not helping them. Not being in the organization I do not know if they spend enough on R & D. I do not know how many scouts we employed. All I know our draft record thru the years has been terribile. Heck maybe somebody out there can inform us when a #2nd round pick succeed with us. I think you are have been taken in by the NYJ media spin instead of doing a independant yourselve sorry to say
I understand what you're thinking but like I said before, one impact player in this draft has as much average or bust potential as any other in the draft, and if Ferguson does pan out, then he will probably be the best pick, especially since we got to keep our picks that we used on Mangold and Clemens. Clemens could potentially be an impact player down the line, and behind a good offensive line, that is MUCH more likely to happen.
Champ,who would you have picked in that position..if posted already save me the time please..havent seen it. Whats wrong with trying to rebuild 40% of the offensive line through the draft. Nobody is positive about the bookend theory. What running back would you have picked there. The front office had a choice of picking a qb,running back, tight end..since they had no intention of going defense. You talk about waiting until 08/09/10..if you picked a qb..you couldnt put him behind the make shift line we would have the next couple years..and the running backs available? With that pick...who would you have taken.
make sure you tell him to give you names, because he'll probably just list positions that we needed. like anyone can't do that? cheers
Seriously Champ. You obviously have naked pictures of the Mods with farm animals, or else you would have been banned by now. Will you please answer the question presented to you? The never ending bitching really brings down the quality of this board. I am so sick of you hijacking threads with impunity. Offer some insight rather than trashing other folks posts. Are you even capable?
I have posted ithis several times already so I have to say now you are goading me. While not a draftnik 1st name that comes to mine is Leinert. I think there was a very highly touted TE who supposely runs like a WR picked at 6 or 7. All I am saying IF Brick turns out to be average or less then average we spent the #4 overall pick on a MEDICORE ball player. Since the draft is a crap shoot anyway it is better to try for GAME BREAKERS. Under normal circumstances OLman can be found later in the draft. Fabini who spent 8/10 years with us was a 3rd rounder. There are many, many other examples of decent OL picked in other then the 1st round with the #4 overall pick. You are another that does not seem to get the gist of my post so like others I am now saying by-by to U
I am not trashing other people posts just giving my opinions no matter if you like them at not. Since you to cannot get the gist of what I am saying by-by to you also
Well we will see if ESPN evulation of Brick is right cause if they are then Brick & DeW are 2 peas from the exact same pod
Just like you just giving my HO of what I foresee if you do not like my posts just STOP reading them then U would not get POed.
There are just as many examples of QUALITY qB's taken in later rounds... this is and was a team with many, many, many holes. IMO, that is not the team you want to gamble on a gamebreaker with. You want a hard worker who looks like a very solid prospect. D'brick.
guess what: that TE you're thinking of, Vernon Davis, is struggling in San Fran; he's not picking up the Offense well and the 49er organization thought he'd be much further along in his progression. therefore, we would have spent the #4 pick on TE who may be medicore (when we already have TE's) versus drafting a LT when we didn't have a quality LT. Not to mention, we're hearing about Brick's work ethic and how he continues to improve, something Davis doesn't seem to be doing. Sure, there are OL that can be found later, but then there are guys like Pace and Ogden who were picked early, who warrented those picks by their performance and fulfilled expectations; which Brick may also do. cheers
I mentioned in the post that I didnt see who you would pick..and to save me the time..posters do that out of respect instead of forcing a poster to look through 100's of posts from you. In no way shape or form was I "goading" you. I take the "by by" as a compliment. You have never answered my questions...and the "by by" to me is just another way of YOU saying "jay..get the hell off my back..there are plenty of POSTERS around here that DONT call me out for making abstract statements or using negative media reports and present them as facts the way you do". Since you will not be responding to my posts from here on...I can only hope one of your few left over defenders, who perhaps defend you more like a novelty item..than a knowledgeable poster, will kindly ask you about the team you preach about all the time...the patriots...please ask champ in what round did they draft "gamebreakers" and if they wasted early picks to get these gamebreakers. Of course you couldnt answer that question...because once again..for the 100th time?, you boxed yourself in to a corner with your absurd analysis of NFL football 101. See champ, what I accused you of doing a couple years ago still stands. When you admitted your Hatred for Bradway and Mangini, that was easily accepted because for many on this board..it was the only regime all of us had in common...we either liked them or hated them..or liked them then hated them. Your true colors came flying out when Tannenbaum and Mangini were hired...at first you said things like "lets see what happens...lets see where this goes" But that was all a bunch of bullcrap. Your insane desire to watch this team fail comes leaking out of you every so often just so it will back up your burn in hell woody theory. You were so desperate for allies that you even teamed up with RAJ...a Herm lover..because you both had something in common....the Jets failing. If the Jets fail, it might prove Raj right...Herm was a great coach..and you right..that we will never win a superbowl under Woody. This is a guy that loved Herm Edwards so much..and you..who thought he was the worst coach ever..teaming up in a twilight zone moment just so you both could be right about the team failing...in the future...IN THE FUTURE. You never fooled many of us around here...that above paragraph just had to be said. Your fake celebration if the Jets were to win wouldnt fool me one bit....because if that happened..what the hell would have to say or talk about. Nothing...nada.
