Trent Dilfer on Mark Sanchez

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  1. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Of course it doesn't. But again, what role does the CS have in what appears to be a lack of development by Sanchez?

    Ftr I think it's possible to be sure that they ARE providing him assistance, and he's just not learning quickly enough. But I really dont know...
     
  2. alwaysthejets

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    If Dilfer is right, which I have no way of knowing, but if he is, then, that all reads to me like the issues absolutely ARE on the offensive coordinator.

    Because, imo, Dilfer essentially said, the o-line is playing poorly, Sanchez has all kinds of mechanics issues, and the WRs either aren't running good routes consistently/all the time OR they're running good routes and missing an audible to adjust, etc.

    When every facet of your offense is not playing well, not performing, etc... How is that merely a player issue? That reads like a unit that is just WHOLLY UNPREPARED and awfully coached.

    And, in regards to self awareness? Uhh, some of the players have it, for sure. So, that's not the issue, either. Anyone listen to Mark talk about he and Tone yesterday?

    - Mark noted that he and Tone both know they didn't have good games, and that, they were glad to get the win, but frustrated with their performance.

    - Mark talked about how he and Tone were really frustrated by their performance because they know they're better than that together, they're better than how they played against Buffalo, and they're just better in general together, than how they've been playing, they know they have great chemistry, they have very open communication, when they're in sync, they're great, etc. So, it's frustrating for them, when they're not on the same page.

    - Mark talked about how they're spending a lot of time trying to go over every detail of what the issue is. And it's give and take, and he was talking about how one of the really good things with the two of them, is they have a relationship where they'll take praise and criticism from each other. He talked about how Tone's "very open" to taking criticism from Mark, and that Tone's practicing his "butt" off to eliminate the errors on his side, and Mark's doing the same.

    - Mark even went on to say, they say every single thing to each other, including Tone saying stuff like: I need you to get the ball delivered to me quicker, or I need you to get the ball down lower when I'm going across the middle, because you're continuing to "lead" me in to defenders, and you're going to get my head knocked off. And, on the flip side, Mark tells him anything and everything from, we're not making the same route adjustments, we're not reading things the same way, I need you do be here, when you see this, etc.

    Mark went in to a lot of detail about how he and Tone know they need to get better, and that they will, etc. So, those guys aren't lacking in self awareness, at all.

    And, lastly, while I respect Dilfer, I also respect Steve Young, who, also has access to this film, and he was on ESPN saying it's absolutely not the players, it's the coaching, essentially, and that the Jets need to move on to new offensive coaches, at least at OC, and I think QB? Well, at least, at OC, he said. To get all of the offensive units performing to their strengths, and crafting plans tailored to the strengths of the offensive skill players, and new schemes for some of the protections, etc.
     
  3. Big Blocker

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    First of all, do you have a quote or link to what you say Young said? I have not heard him say that.

    Second, I think the major hit the O suffered this year was clearly the net effect of Mangold getting hurt without the Jets having an adequate backup, since Turner had gotten hurt in the pre-season and not been adequately replaced. This affected everything, the run game, the pass protection, Sanchez not having a comfort in the pocket, and continued even after Mangold returned, although I do think the OL had it's best game of the season against Buffalo.

    Schotty might have some collective responsibility with Ryan, Tanny, Callahan and even Woody Johnson for the blunder of not dealing adequately with Turner's situation. But that's as much as can be said about it.
     
  4. CurbYourEnthusiasm

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    #filmstudy Sanchez:Big blame goes to rec as well this year, inconsistent routes makes it hard to trust them. Rec butchered audible TD vs Den

    Curious what play this was in the game. Anyone have an idea?
     
  5. gizmo253

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    Im not sure because the only TD scored in that game was when Powell fumbled and Slauson recovered.....I feel like Dilfer has to be talking about the bills game..
     
  6. alwaysthejets

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    I don't have a link, but, maybe something can be found. Steve Young was making the rounds on ESPN/ESPN Radio LA, and it was during the time that Rex disclosed that he was taking some snaps from Sanchez and giving them to Brunell.

    Steve Young was... not impressed, and essentially got borderline heated about how we're mishandling Sanchez, and then went on to talk about what he saw as the real issues, and he lit in to the offensive coaching. He even went as far as to say, because Rex is a defensive coach, he's not sure that Rex fully gleans how much we need different offensive coaching, but that it's our primary issue, in his opinion.

    Also, I agree with you about the o-line situation. I think it truly is what turned the tide, and threw the offensive cohesion off. No doubt.
     
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    This has been my biggest complaint during Schotty's tenure, and I think it's the fairest, most accurate criticism, as well as the most damning evidence against him.

    We can question playcalls (i.e. their timing, logic etc) and we can question execution, but those are things we won't truly get to the bottom of with the limited knowledge and access we have as fans.

    However, when WRs - for 3 consecutive seasons (?5 now) - fail to get separation and are constantly running routes within close proximity (e.g. the Hook routes .gif in the other thread), it's not hindsight criticism; it's something we can clearly see. The WRs EXECUTED those routes properly, but the routes themselves were terrible. That's play-design, which is on Schotty. Anyone who argues against that is a fool.

    I think this is actually pretty easy to explain: Sanchez is a very young, inexperienced QB, and young QBs tend to get "happy-feet" because the speed of the game hasn't slowed down for them yet, and they don't yet have the poise that older, more experienced QBs have -- like, for example, Eli, who you mentioned.
     
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  10. ukilledkenny

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    I could be way off but my impression of young is that he blames the coaching on every team in the league for everything. Maybe it's just a few incidents that are sticking out but I always seem to see him ripping into coaches.
     
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    I think he means it would have been a TD had they executed properly
     
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    To be fair Braylon used to get stupid open at times

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  13. The Uniform Bomber

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    Yeah, I thought about mentioning that in my post, but I just forgot to insert it.

    Having said that, isn't it a bad thing that Braylon getting open stands out to us? The very reason that his separation from DBs was conspicuous and is distinct in our memories is because the Jets WRs hardly ever get open.
     
  14. Big Blocker

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    In additoin to your later acknowledgement that Braylon used to get open last season, I want to point out a potential silver lining here, hopefully without being over optimistic.

    One way to look at the past two seasons is that Sanchez needs to have reps and the resulting chemistry with is receivers, and did have an increase in that as both the prior seasons progressed. This was why he looked better toward the ends of both seasons. Hopefully that happens again this year.

    But why the need to have that again? It should be obvious, and has nothing to do with the playcalling.

    Cotch and Edwards both left, leaving Keller and Holmes as holdovers from last year. But Holmes is almost always double covered. Keller not surprisingly gets the most catches, but can disappear for stretches.

    Burress historically is a red zone, big play type receiver who the numbers show has a relatively low completion average for number of times targetted. Kerley was out against Buffalo, and did not start the season as the #3 wideout, but he's been getting Sanchez to have an increased comfort level with him. Add in LT, who Sanchez had high comfort with last season, and recall LT's recent missed games and general fall off of performance from his hot start last year. LT did not have his number called near as much this year even when he was not hurt.

    In short, I think the problem with the receivers has been lack of continuity. As this season progresses, we may see more proof of that theory, assuming Sanchez shows an increased comfort level with his receivers.
     
  15. #28Martin

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    Prediction: Braylon will be back next season. He's had an injury filled year in SF and will be more willing to take a modest deal out of the Jets, who he excelled with.
     
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    I mentioned it in another thread, but on the Kay Show, LaGreca brought up a stat that Sanchez is 85% completion ratio to Kerley & LT on the year.
     
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    And based on your recent "optimism" of Sanchez, Braylon would be catching passes from another QB in 2012.
     
  18. The Uniform Bomber

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    That's a fair and solid observation that I agree with, and from your lips to God's ears I hope is what happens.

    Just to piggyback your main point about continuity, I remember during the Offseason when we let Braylon and Cotch go, there were some of us (can't remember everyone, but I remember briefly discussing it in a thread with IJR) who were concerned about Sanchez being forced to play musical chairs with his WR corps. Many people poo-pooed it, but it definitely looks like an issue.

    The elite QBs (Brady, Rodgers, and the Mannings come to mind) seemingly can "make" their WRs better, no matter who they are; but those QBs are all seasoned veterans. Obviously, Sanchez isn't close to that experience level yet, so chemistry and continuity is much more important to him at this stage of his career.
     
  19. 88toon

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    exactly. Just because he doesnt agree with the hate for shotty like a lot of us (myself included on most days) just tell him to EAD or Dilfer sucks? that makes a lot of sense. I am willing to go way out on a limb her, but I think Trent Dilfer knows a little bit more about football then the people on this board.
     
  20. 88toon

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    this should be more of a criticism on shotty than anything. The development of the QB is coaching.
     

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