No video, just beat writers tweets. Besides, if you've seen 1 screen go for a pick 6 you've seen me all. Just picture mccown instead of Sanchez or smith
Petty sounds like the most accurate of the group so far but limited reps. Biggest takeaway I've learned so far is our offensive line is garbage.
I've lost hope in "someday". This franchise simply refuses to face the shortcomings offensively.Never in my wildest dreams did I think 3 yrs into this regime that we'd be even WORSE offensively than we were before they arrived. In a league now mandated by high octane passing attacks..we're still playing 90s Ivy League ball where any completion beyond 5 yards is highlight worthy. Where the hell was the urgency this offseason..or Jesus Christ ANY offseason since around 2013 onward to make this offense not only better but more exciting?!But nope..Bowles wasn't gonna let his precious secondary get torched no matter how many more years of futile scoring offense we have to endure..draft not but 2 god damn safeties.Still trying to win w god damn defense. Maybe the best thing that could happen is the D plays very well..surrenders 17 or so a game we go something like 2-14 bc the offense hits paydirt..idk..4 times the whole season & averages 6 points a game.At that point Bowles can't pound the table for a stud pass rusher or shut down CB,right?We won't have to hear the best player available line from Mac anymore..please..? I'm pleading w my own lingering thoughts at this point..why is something as simple as a commitment to competent scoring offense so foreign to this team??How hard is it to prioritize the offense for even 1 offseason in a god damn 10 year span??
I think I answered a lot of these questions for you. It's clear you want to blame the coordinator for Petty's shortcomings. BTW I don't think this was all on Petty, I didn't think Petty was a good QB to begin with, but the lack of reps was absolutely an issue and I agreed with you there. Now your Qs and my assessment of Petty. 1. Implying Petty HAD starter potential to begin with. He had a shot to display SOMETHING those 4 games. Last year he had Marshall, Q and Anderson and a decent backfield with Powell and Forte. Line is a mess, can't doubt that one. In order to say Petty had potential, you have to go back and look at the skills Petty had and how they would translate. His football IQ is very questionable, accuracy down the field, inconsistent. Some of that is due to the simplistics over in Baylor. He arrives with the Jets and while, he has a great arm, you never saw him have control of the offense those 4 games. We can continue to complain about Gailey, but remember he helped organize a very strong offense with crappy Fitzpatrick. CONTROL WHAT YOU CAN CONTROL. Gailey's system was a spread / pro hybrid. Should've fit Petty's skill-sets and I think they did. Of course, you take into consideration the situation with the lack of reps, but those 4 games, I saw nothing that would exhibit Petty being that guy. 2. Gailey, I liked his system but wasn't a huge fan of the playcalling last year. Petty's skills simply do not translate to the next level. To me, he's a lesser talented / less physical Paxton Lynch, whom I also did not like. The lack of reps are absolutely an issue. The spread offense in college puts the QBs at a severe disadvantage at the pro level. BTW Chris Harper the receiver you are referring to has been excellent, showing seperation and can make some highlight catches, but is he doing this against the starters or camp players? I hope to see him perform at preseason, but lately the receivers have been bad against the first and 2nd teams. Some players got it and some don't. We can't blame the coordinator EACH time a QB fails. Sanchez was better then Petty despite having a FAR worse coordinator. Gailey is a God compared to Schottenheimer. Now that is an example of a QB you should bring up.
College football starts soon ... but not looking good for any of the QBs. Hopefully something changes, but its looking like McCown wk1 barring a major progression.
That's the problem. You think you did. You didn't. I even provided the metrics, with which you can provide the answer - in part because I thought you didn't seem to grasp the gravity of the question. You didn't disappoint, however. I implied this? When? Where? I don't recall that. Maybe you are confusing this flow of argument with someone else's. I never implied such, and I don't think it would be appropriate either. That said: I did point out two things. 1. Petty didn't have sufficient reps with the starters during the summer camp. 2. He didn't get the reps with the starters during the early part of the season either. He only got them when Fitz was benched. It would have been better if Petty could establish instant connection with the receivers and whatnot, but is that how human relationship works? And all you gave me is - just names. Yes. Names. "Since Petty had so-and-so available, he should have been able to do something" kind of logic. Moreover, we all know Jets had shoddy protection up front. Until that part is taken care of, whatever great potential any QB has would be near invisible, don't you think? In short, he was in a position to fail, and so he failed. If you think that's a knock on him, then I don't know what more to tell you. All I've been saying thus far is, he was in a position to fail, so he failed. I don't know if that's a knock on the kid. Maybe this is such a hard concept to grasp for you. If you think this is [Blame-the-OC] game, then I have to tell you, you are mistaken, yet, AGAIN. That was not even the point of this argument to begin with. Ok - I will summarize my point for you. Let's see if this works better. TL: DR Petty was in a position to fail, and he failed thus. I don't know if that is a knock on the kid. Thus, if you intend to respond, I suggest you bring up issues as following: 1. Petty was not in a position to fail. 2. Or his failure is on him, even with all the given limitations. This means one-minute stat search is not what I am looking for.
That is actually excusable - but that means the team has a top caliber QB, with functional offense. [Neither of which Jets squad possesses at this particular moment.]
Personally, I think the Jets skill position talent is "good enough" to win, if not better. The real issue with both the offense and the team is how the offensive line has been left so barren. Wesley Johnson sucks. Our LT is nothing to write home about. Carpenter won't be on the team past this season. Winters is our premiere offensive lineman now and can anyone say he's better than "ok"? Shell may have the best potential of all, yet we're hearing reports that Qvale is getting serious reps at RT and it makes me wonder if we have a sophomore slump in our young RT. Keeping in mind also that Shell look liked absolute dog shit in the preseason last year too and perhaps he's just a slow starter. Who the hell knows. The point is, the offensive line is the NFL's force multiplier and in the Jets case, we take a negative on that multiplier since there is no real investment there. You'd think a team that understands how important it is to win in the trenches on defense would understand the same about the offense.
Jets drafted Mangold and Ferguson in the first round - that was good 10 or so years ago. They didn't invest a single thing in the OL afterwards. Okay - Winters in 3rd round, then some scrap heap players with lower round picks and whatnot. But nobody above 3rd. And we all know what a franchise LT can do for a QB.
There is no hard concept to grasp, I see your point, but clearly don't see mine. To know where Petty is going, you have to know where he's been. When you talk potential, if it's not a "potential" starter then what are we talking about? What is Petty's potential? Obviously we have 2 different views on that. You know my view already. The reps, we don't need to further discuss that. We already established the fact that he has had limited reps, but that doesn't change the fact that in 4 live games (with first team reps I may add), he didn't show anything warrant of being a "potential" starter. The thing you like about Petty is the fact that the kid takes chances, he ALWAYS did. Messed up his collarbone in college. Perhaps he goes outside the book to get the ball down the field, but in those 4 games it bit him in the ass more then you can count. The quick passing game neglects the pass-rush. Petty and more than likely Hack hold onto the ball far too long. Perhaps they aren't a fit for this offense, despite Hack running the Patriots offense - year 1 in Penn State. TLDR; Petty was in a situation to fail, but he was going to fail regardless. That is my point. Got it McFly? BTW, notice how I didn't provide you 1 single stat in this entire argument. I am going by what I saw in college and what I see now. Total bro though. Just like Paxton Lynch, but less talented and less physically intimidating.
It's time to face that Bowles is kryptonite to the Jets resolving the QB riddle.He clearly doesn't think he needs a great QB and doesn't give a shit about the team's history at the position nor what the fan base wants. He had his chance to give Petty reps over last 2 years & he didn't.He could've let Geno battle it out w Petty last year..he didn't. In his 3 years as head coach he has had 3 different QB prospects w time under their belt & each time he chose Ryan Fitzpatrick(Including bringing him back on a player friendly deal) & now josh Mccown.Each time showing not even the least bit at odds w the decision. He likes veteran QBs who don't turn the ball over.If Fitzpatrick hadn't intercepted himself off the field he'd still be starting for this team right now.Just another in a long line of idiotic conservative defensive head coaches unwilling to leave the NFC east of 1987. Get this clown out of here & let him go build his dream defense for the argonauts.Maybe he can talk Doug Flutie out of retirement.
